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Cass 
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Available from - Gandy's Roses
http://www.gandys-roses.co.uk/catalogue/roses/compacta-roses
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#1 of 4 posted
24 FEB 09 by
Cass
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Hello, James. Are we certain that Gandy's is selling the polyanthas from the 1950's, newly packaged as "Compacta Roses"? I couldn't tell from checking the website.
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Hi Cass,
Check the term "Compacta Roses" in the Help Me Find Glossary on the left of your screen.
C.W. Groves & Son also sells them as "Compacta Roses", and they have nice pictures.
"Compacta Roses" should indicate that Gandy's roses (without the pictures) are the correct polyanthas from the 1950's. 'A picture is worth a thousand words.'.
Jim
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#3 of 4 posted
25 FEB 09 by
Cass
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I'm embarrassed the information was right in front of me! Thanks, Jim.
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Hello Cass,
the term Compacte roses ist original from the Breeder who introduced them in the 1950s under this name because they are really diffrent from other miniature-roses
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Rose Listing Omission
6 discoverd roses from china
I have 6 collected roses from china not listed, 2 dating back to the ming dynasty. Would you like these added
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#1 of 6 posted
23 DEC 09 by
Cass
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Absolutely. Have you or others assigned them study names?
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Hello cass
most of these roses are the true names but I have indicated where they are study names. If you give me an adress, I can send pics as I sort them out and you can enter the info onto the site as seems appropriate.
Fen Zhang Lu
Ju Nang
Hume's Blush (Laos form)
Jin Ou Fan Lu
L19 Laos (study name)
Yellow Tea from Lijang (study name)
Mt. Omei Sichuan (study name)
N 92 Nanjing (study name)
Sui Men Ren
Tian Nu Buang
all collected by Mr Katsuhiko Maebara and Prof Yoshihuro Ueda and supplied to me by Helga Brichet
John Hook
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#3 of 6 posted
3 JAN 10 by
Cass
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Hi, John, I'll add the rest of these today. In the interim, see:
Fen Zhang Lou (I'll add the alternative spelling}
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.61648
Jin Ou Fan Lu
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25889
See also:
Lijang Rose
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.27618.2
Lan Tian Bi
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25888
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#4 of 6 posted
3 JAN 10 by
Cass
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Here they are. If you post your comments under the Member Comments tab of each rose, I'll add details like bloom form, color and possible classes.
Ju Nang:
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62511.0
Hume's Blush (Laos form)
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62512.0
Jin Ou Fan Lu
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25889
"L19 Laos"
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62513.0
"Yellow Tea from Lijang"
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62514.0
"Mt Omei Sichuan" (is this a species?)
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62515.0
"N 92 Nanjing"
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62516.0
Sui Men Ren
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62517.0
Tian Nu Buang
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62518.0
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Oh, what a delectable bunch! if it weren't for the quarantine restrictions...
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#6 of 6 posted
10 JAN 23 by
mike8293
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hey good one keep it up
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12 MAY 10 by
kev
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because of the flower size and other considerations this variety should be considered a polyantha or floribunda.it certainly isnt a large flowered rose.
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#1 of 3 posted
13 MAY 10 by
Cass
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You should address your concern to the American Rose Society's Registration Committee. LCl is the ARS class, and that's what HMF reports.
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#2 of 3 posted
2 DEC 22 by
NewDawn
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I agree that while it may be officially listed, its flowers are no more than an inch. Perhaps this was a translation issue. Perhaps a mention of flower size could be put on the front listing as many readers dont read the comments or even notice the different tabs. Just a suggestion. :)
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#3 of 3 posted
2 DEC 22 by
jedmar
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The bloom size of 1.25" is there
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Almost everything you say about a rose called Excellenz von Schubert is wrong! It is a purple Hybrid Musk, with a delicious heavy scent, not a deep pink Polyantha with no to mild fragrance. Gregg Lowery says: Long clusters of small, full, grape-purple to crimson flowers, sweetly scented, on a plant of moderate growth with burnished, olive-green foliage. A Lambertina of exceptional quality; the bright panicles of bloom make quite a show in the garden. He gives it four r's for repeat bloom, and three f's for fragrance, and lists it among the Hybrid Musks.
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See the comments already on the page for this rose - there seem to be two roses using the name. Does the purple one set hips? Does the pink one?
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#2 of 11 posted
20 MAY 10 by
roses257
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I love the flowers so much that I never let mine set hips. Haven't seen the pink one.
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#3 of 11 posted
20 MAY 10 by
Cass
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I don't recall any hips. I don't deadhead.
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Cass, which one do you have? There are no descendants listed for Excellenz von Schubert; plenty for Gartendirektor Otto Linne.
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#8 of 11 posted
21 MAY 10 by
Cass
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I grow both, Margaret. I have 4 plants of the mauvey, scented, red-caned rose that has pompon-type blooms (sold as EVS). I have only one plant of the pink rose that grows like a floribunda (sold as GOL).
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Would you say that EVS has more cupped blooms as opposed to GOL that never has cupped but more flat? I am trying to figure out what I have, the blooms don’t really look like EVS (are not cupped) and are definitely pink, not mauve/purple or lilac. It’s hard to figure out from pics of these two since it seems like both EVS and GOL have both roses mixed up in pics (I read the discussion on the fact that some nurseries sell them as the other). I bought mine at Antique Rose Emporium if that helps.
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#10 of 11 posted
16 OCT 22 by
jedmar
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I have added some photos of EVS and GOL as they are sold in Europe. The blooms of EVS are mauve-pink, full, rounded, in medium-sized clusters. GOL's blooms are pink, double, in large clusters, which are sometimes pyramidal.
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Thank you for adding the photos. I think mine is GOL (not EVS), don’t you think (pic posted)?
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#4 of 11 posted
20 MAY 10 by
jedmar
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All the early sources agree on 'Excellenz von Schubert' being a carmine-pink rose. This means that the identification by Vintage gardens is incorrect.
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#5 of 11 posted
20 MAY 10 by
roses257
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Could you please cite some of those "early sources"? Thanks
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Roses257............
Just go to the rose page and click on the REFERENCES tab. You will find several references that site both color and class for the rose.
Lyn
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