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The Old Rosarian
most recent 10 MAR SHOW ALL
Initial post 31 AUG 05 by Zaslawska
I have a climbing rose "Sombreuil" and would like to have one or two clematis climb with it. There are so many clematis to choose from! Any recommendations on colors or specific clematis that would complement the creamy white of the rose?
Reply #1 of 5 posted 7 SEP 05 by The Old Rosarian
Because the colour of Sombrieul is a beautfull cream, you could put any coloured clematis with it. It all depends on what look you want to create. As you know there are three types of clematis in regards to pruning. Because a rose has nasty thorns, it may be easier to plant a class where you just cut the clematis off at the bottom every year, such as the vitcella group. Plus you get more bang for your buck with this group as they produce a greater amount of flowers. Also the flowers are smaller and so don't overpower the rose blooms. Here are a few sugestions for this class of clematis. Etoile Violette...single deep purple with yellow stamens, Blue Angel...icy blue, petals look like crepe paper, Mme Julia wine red and Ville de Lyon...carmine pink. All these will grow without a lot of trouble. If you have never grown clematis before, then try jackmanii Polish Spirit, it will grow if you just drop it on the ground. The colour is a rich royal purple.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 17 SEP 05 by Unregistered Guest
Thank you so much for your input, especially regarding pruning. There are so many lovely clematis - your comments will help narrow down the choice!
Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 MAR by REB
Thank You. Very helpful. I will try Blue Angel Clematis with my Pearly Gates Climbers.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 7 OCT 09 by oakslesly
I am considering purchasing a climbing Sombreuil (sic) What has been your experience regarding frequency of blooms, fragrance, etc? I live in southern California. Thanks for your help.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 11 OCT 09 by Jeff Britt
I have Sombreuil (two actually) planted on a long pergola. In coastal Northern California, I get 4 to 5 flushes of roses a season. If you deadhead promptly, the flushes are quicker to come. The scent is lovely, a spicy and sweet fragrance that though isn't strong, it carries well and is surprisingly persistent. For my money, this is the best white reblooming climber there is.

And, I grow Clematis Jackmani and C. Polish Spirit up my Sombreuil. They look sensatinonal and I just whack them back to about 2 feet tall when I prune Sombreuil in January.

My only caviat with Sombreuil is it seems to be irresistable to thrips.

most recent 8 JAN SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
I have received sweet briar plants with no instructions. Full sun Shade just where. We are in N Carolina in sandy soil. any help you can give will be welcome Thanks K Farrell
Reply #1 of 5 posted 4 MAY 03 by The Old Rosarian
Sweet Briar roses are very easy to grow in sandy soil. Just dig a hole, plant and give them some fertilizer plus water and away they will go. They prefer sun but will take some shade. You don't even have to prune them if you don't want to. They will grow to about 9 feet tall.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 7 JUN 07 by Arboretum Borova hora - Rosarium
This rose is growing in dry pastures or forest edges here in Slovakia, means love full sun but partial shade tolerate for a short term. Soil usually loamy and poor. Foliage with nice apple scent so far in hot sunny days!
Reply #3 of 5 posted 18 SEP 12 by mtspace
I grew this rose in full shade (1-2 hrs of sun per day) in NJ for six or seven years. It never bloomed, but it did fill the air with delicious green apple scent on foggy, still, spring mornings.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 23 SEP 12 by Patricia Routley
This rose is so feral in parts of Australia and New Zealand that even with full deep shade, it still blooms enough to set hips with me. I really should get rid of it before I get too old to do so, but that apple smell persuades me to keep it for just a few more years. In the meantime, I de-hip after I have had my fill of the sight of the hips and before the birds can get to them.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 8 JAN by Andrew from Dolton
Could you just cut it back hard each winter that way you would get loads of smelly foliage and no flowers, maybe grow a group 3 Clematis over it?
most recent 26 MAY SHOW ALL
Initial post 14 FEB 05 by Unregistered Guest
How's the repeat on this climbing form? I love the bush - it's one of my very best in terms of health, repeat, winter hardiness and especially SCENT here in Zone 6a!
Reply #1 of 2 posted 19 JUN 05 by The Old Rosarian
The climbing version of Sutters Gold has good vigour but it only has one main flush with a few scattered flowers afterwards. In the PNW it is prone to black spot.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 26 MAY by Jay-Jay
Yes a main flush in Spring, but almost never without flowers and over here it had some extra flushes one at high Summer and one in Fall.
most recent 4 MAR 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
I own this rose in Connecticut. It has lived for many years on a hot dry stone wall next to the highway with minimal dieback. I doubt it would do as well if not in this hot location. I purchased it from Will Tillotson's "Roses of Today and Yesteryear." Why it is not sold more widely is a mystery. It is not even in Peter Beale's "Classic Roses". Why? This is a mystery. Last winter was very hard on roses, but Etain came through smiling and while there was some dieback, it was easy to prune out and now it has bloomed and is filled with new reddish shoots. I sing the praises of this rose!!!
Reply #1 of 4 posted 10 AUG 05 by Unregistered Guest
Hello, I live in Guiford Ct. zone 5 and would like to grow Etain on an arbor. Could you tell me when it blooms because I am looking for a climber that blooms in early June. Also, any other info on Etain would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Liz
Reply #2 of 4 posted 14 AUG 05 by The Old Rosarian
Many gardeners wonder why a certain really good rose gets lost in the mists of time. There are so many roses introduced each year it gets very confusing. However there are three other ramblers which are very similiar to Etain and because they came out in the early 1900'sand Etain in the early 1950's, would be better known.
Ashdown Roses carries Etain.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 4 MAR 17 by cakemiks
Which other ramblers are like Etain? Since you mentioned three, it sounded like you knew some specific ones.

I'm also curious if Etain can stand up to some rain, and if it hangs on to its petals or drops them cleanly. I just dug up and threw out Paul Noel for those reasons...the blooms turned brown after one rain and then hung on for a long time (over a month) looking pathetic. It would probably be a great rose in a drier climate.

Our weather (Asheville, NC) is not too hard on roses, but I avoid any that are likely to ball or melt in rain due to our occasional thunderstorms.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 4 MAR 17 by Andrew from Dolton
'Albertine' is quite like 'Etain'. In the south-west of the U.K. it is blackspot resistant but I have seen it in warmer areas with rust. The blooms stand up well to rain, however, its main fault is that the flowers don't fall off cleanly after they are over. Otherwise a very pretty easy rose.
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