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The Old Rosarian
most recent 4 MAR 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
I own this rose in Connecticut. It has lived for many years on a hot dry stone wall next to the highway with minimal dieback. I doubt it would do as well if not in this hot location. I purchased it from Will Tillotson's "Roses of Today and Yesteryear." Why it is not sold more widely is a mystery. It is not even in Peter Beale's "Classic Roses". Why? This is a mystery. Last winter was very hard on roses, but Etain came through smiling and while there was some dieback, it was easy to prune out and now it has bloomed and is filled with new reddish shoots. I sing the praises of this rose!!!
Reply #1 of 4 posted 10 AUG 05 by Unregistered Guest
Hello, I live in Guiford Ct. zone 5 and would like to grow Etain on an arbor. Could you tell me when it blooms because I am looking for a climber that blooms in early June. Also, any other info on Etain would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Liz
Reply #2 of 4 posted 14 AUG 05 by The Old Rosarian
Many gardeners wonder why a certain really good rose gets lost in the mists of time. There are so many roses introduced each year it gets very confusing. However there are three other ramblers which are very similiar to Etain and because they came out in the early 1900'sand Etain in the early 1950's, would be better known.
Ashdown Roses carries Etain.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 4 MAR 17 by cakemiks
Which other ramblers are like Etain? Since you mentioned three, it sounded like you knew some specific ones.

I'm also curious if Etain can stand up to some rain, and if it hangs on to its petals or drops them cleanly. I just dug up and threw out Paul Noel for those reasons...the blooms turned brown after one rain and then hung on for a long time (over a month) looking pathetic. It would probably be a great rose in a drier climate.

Our weather (Asheville, NC) is not too hard on roses, but I avoid any that are likely to ball or melt in rain due to our occasional thunderstorms.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 4 MAR 17 by Andrew from Dolton
'Albertine' is quite like 'Etain'. In the south-west of the U.K. it is blackspot resistant but I have seen it in warmer areas with rust. The blooms stand up well to rain, however, its main fault is that the flowers don't fall off cleanly after they are over. Otherwise a very pretty easy rose.
most recent 15 JUN 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 20 AUG 05 by lesleigh
i live on 6 acres of rain forest and have clay soil..i do not seem to have much trouble growing roses but would like to know the best ones to grow in clay soil
Reply #1 of 4 posted 1 SEP 05 by The Old Rosarian
It isn't the soil type that roses complain about, it is usually the weather. Some roses look poor and ball in wet weather, others bleach and burn in high heat. And many just die in very cold winters. Your climatic conditions are really more important than your soil.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 1 SEP 05 by lesleigh
thank you for your response..i do appreiciate it
regards lesleigh
Reply #3 of 4 posted 13 SEP 05 by Anonymous-97434
The climate comment was right on. Unless you're buying own root plants, nearly every rose you have available to you will perform the same way in your soil, as far as the roots are concerned, because so many are budded on the same root stock.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 15 JUN 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
See my garden profile, "Alkaline clay zone 5a". I have very heavy clay, and decent rainfall. the darker green foliage likes heavy clay. The glossy foliage likes wetness.
most recent 18 MAY 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
We were given this rose as a gift and do not know how to care for it re temperature, sunlight, etc. please give me some information on how to care for this rose - I am afraid of it dying, I am not sure it is rea healthy at this moment. Thanks Kathy
Reply #1 of 8 posted 5 JAN 04 by The Old Rosarian
Souvenir de la Malmaison is a Bourbon rose with a wonderful fragrance. It is hardy to zone 5 which means it will survive in snow.The rose likes to be fertilzed twice, once after the first flush of blooms and then in the middle of summer and it prefers full sun. It is a slow grower but finally makes a bush about 4 feet tall.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 26 DEC 05 by Unregistered Guest
I agree with Patricia - this rose has absolutely no fragrance! It was the first rose I ever bought, on the recommendation of a nurseryman who said it had a wonderful fragrance, which is my major criteria for roses. I gave it to a friend, who also could not detect a whiff of anything!
Reply #8 of 8 posted 18 MAY 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
You are right. I didn't smell any scent from that rose at Chicago Botanical Garden.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
They are very hard to kill. I have had an enormous number of hybrid teas which became diseased and died within a few years. But I have had this one in zone 9B for about 20 years. It gets very little water and not much fertilizer and no special care whatever and yet it blooms multiple times per year with flowers of a gorgeous pink shade. We seldom have freezes this far south and when we do they are just for a day or two but it has never required any special care either winter or summer.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 15 MAR 09 by domenico67
No matter who gave you you plant, if it's not fragrant it's absolutely not Souvenir d. l. m.! Maybe it's not the most fragrant rose ever, nevertheless it definitely has to be classified as highly fragrant, half old rose and half tea rose.
Even old flowers retain a lot of scent, even on small young plants.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 15 MAR 09 by Cass
Hmmm. That's not completely true for every nose in every climate. I have a decent nose, but SdlM is not the fragrant in the garden in our dry Mediterranean climate. It helps to bring to rose into the house. Then the complexity of the fragrance can be appreciated. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there are noses that cannot detect the fragrance in my climate.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 15 MAR 09 by domenico67
I know what you mean... some varieties are prone to being smelled quite different by different noses and)or in different climates...
for example, Sombreuil: it's almost worldwide beloved (and even purposely grown) for its fragrance, but I only can find it rather bad smelling, which is a pity because I think it's a beautiful flower! Or Charles de Mills, rated as poorly or at best mildly fragrant in UK, which instead gives powerful and wonderful pure gallica scent in Italy (for everybody I asked about, at least)...
But I didn't think Sdlm was one of such varieties! There are many cultivars that seem not prone to this issue, and are always very fragrant to everybody everywhere.
I grew Sdlm (or I saw and smelled it!) in some very different climates here in Italy, and it was very constant in it fragrance, which I found every time being the same, even being not my favourite (I much prefer damask, gallica, alba tones, which you can find also in many bourbon or even modern roses) neither the strongest in my opinion (but always very well detectable for sure).
I find its scent similar, amongst modern roses, to that Jardins de Bagatelle, which also has somewhat similar colours, both in intensity and quality.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 15 MAR 09 by Cass
If your rose is strongly fragrant all the time and in garden, it is possible we are not growing the same rose, regardless of what the labels say. I'm not saying our rose in commerce is the right one or the wrong one, only that it is a different one. Only a miniscule proportion of the old roses in commerce have a clear, unequivocal history connecting them to a known, labeled cultivar in a respected botanical collection. The vast majority are found roses that have been assigned names by rosarians with different levels of expertise at identifying roses.

Or perhaps our noses which are similar in detecting the fragrance don't detect its intensity the same way. Many variables could be at work.

As for Charles de Mills, I believe there are two different roses being sold under this name. I have the one that smells like hay or straw. Even in the USA, there is an alternative, strongly fragrant rose sold as Charles de Mills.
most recent 24 OCT 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 1 FEB 06 by Rosenschule Ruf
Our Vivid is just once-flowering is it the real one?
Reply #1 of 2 posted 8 FEB 06 by The Old Rosarian
Vivid is a vigorous Bourbon and sometimes if a rose is very vigorous, it tends to make growth at the expense of flowers. Give your rose at least three years to settle in and become use to you soil and climate and then I think you will see a repeat bloom. A little extra fertilizer after the first flush can also help. But not one that is high in nitrogen. Look for a high second number.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 24 OCT 15 by Wilhelm
I am living in the middle of Germany. My Vivid is ten years old, huge dense bush, covered in wonderful flowers for weeks in June till early July, but never after that date, though many of my once flowering roses like Fritz Nobis, Early Red or so many Pimpinellifolia do the trick very well in autumn.
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