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22 NOV
Message sent to Dezdura in Clovis, NM:

Hi! Thank you for your comment on Ketchup and Mustard. If you can get ahold of this rose, I think you would LOVE it here in NM. Another one I would recommend is Polynesian Punch, an incredible rainbow colored floribunda. I have a ton of pics of it here on HMF. K&M and PP are my two top performers here in this challenging climate, and I would not be without them in my rose garden! They are sometimes available at local nurseries in the spring here in Albuquerque, however they quickly sell out and are expensive (5 gallon size for $50 or so). Another way to get these two varieties in a smaller size is through mail order from High Country Roses in CO. (just google the name) They sell band-sized (quart) roses for $21.95 that are small to begin with, but take off quickly, I've ordered many varieties over the years that have done super well. You can either plant that size directly in the ground (remember to do a LARGE hole with amended soil, even if the root ball is small, because the rose roots WILL fill out that hole over time). Or you can up-pot it to a container and grow it out a season, prior to planting in the fall, or the following season. Either way, you cannot go wrong with these two varieties!! If you opt for High Country Roses, you can get a 20% discount for signing up, and they also give a 15% discount to ARS members (American Rose Society) with the code ARS. If you order more than one rose at a time, shipping is less expensive per plant. K&M is currently out of stock at High Country Roses, however if you create an account, you can request an email notification for when it comes back into stock. You can also create a wishlist (I've got one that is always changing, LOL). Well, all for now... Again, I can't say enough good things about these two roses, I've been growing roses for over 20 years and these two are my absolute top performers. A last word is that I DO feed my roses regularly during the season, water soluble fertilizer every 3-4 weeks, plus compost in the spring, stick to a regular watering schedule, and mulch well. I also do a hard prune in the spring, and keep up with the deadheading. Deadheading is the signal for a rose to keep blooming! The roses can defend against this climate with this regimen, and be the best they can be. Please stay in touch, and let me know if you ever add those two to your rose garden... All Best, Claire G. aka ParisRoseLady
27 OCT
From 30 November 2010 John Moody, under Jardins de Bagatelle posting:
Yes Lyn, you are absolutely right about european breeders not always registering their roses.
As well, many hybridyzers choose not to list the parentage of their roses preferring to leave it blank or just as "Seedling X Seedling". I think they just don't want other breeders to know what plants they are having good success with in their hybridyzing programs.
One of my favorite hybridyzers in England is very guilty of that. If you pull up all of their roses 99% of them do not list parentage and I am sure they do know and keep track of the roses used for breeding purposes but just prefer to keep it anonymous.
I know some breeders use their own homebred proprietary stock that is not commercially marketed and therefore not named--usually just given a number for identification so it wouldn't mean a thing to you or I anyway.
But they all still use a fair share of commercially marketed roses of their own and other hybridyzers in their breeding programs and just want to keep that info to themselves. It is a shame they do that for small timers like myself who then spend alot of wasted time and energy on trying to breed unsuccessfully with some roses that may be beautiful but don't pass their fine quality to their offspring. Many "average" roses have turned out to make very good breeding plants as they produce better than themselves both in appearance and in health. A breeder just has to find that out by trial and error since the experienced big guns don't share their knowledge.

I know it's a different thing, but I was once an all-breed professional show dog trainer and handler as well as a very successful breeder of my own line of Champion Cocker Spaniel show dogs. I bred several top winning and most proudly top National Best-In-Show and National Specialty Best-In-Show winning and top champion get producing Cockers. I would have multiple champion offspring in most litters I bred, sometimes as many as 3 or 4 of 5 puppies or 4 or 5 of 6 puppies in a litter would go on to be champions themselves bred by me and carrying my "Kandu" kennel name. I had a specific line breeding plan in mind and stuck to it and it made me very successful.
Of course when breeding American Kennel Club registered stock all of your breedings are very public and it is impossible to hide anything which I think is best. It sure makes the responsible breeders very careful with what they breed for health, temperament, and beauty. All of my breeding stock were examined, tested, and certified to be Canine Good Citizens (good temperaments) and free of congenital health defects such as juvenile cataracts, retinal atrophy, blood disorders, hip dysplasia, luxating patella's etc..and I always guaranteed any puppy I ever bred would never come down with these problems which makes for a very happy owner of a very sound and healthy, beautiful puppy that could be a lifetime member of their family with no fears.
It may sound like I bred alot of puppies, but actually I averaged less than I litter every 2 years. And, I usually sold any show quality puppy I couldn't or didn't want to keep to other responsible breeder/exhibitors. For a pet quality puppy, I usually gave them away for free but all prospective new owners went through a very tough screening process and would not get registration papers unless/until the puppy was spayed or neutered unless I had already had it done. Sometimes I would even not be able to sell a show quality puppy for lack of a suitable home and would give them away as a pet as well rather than sell them to a breeder/exhibitor person that I felt was not completely suitable or didn't treat their animals as well as I thought they should.
I think if rose producers were forced to honestly publish their breedings it would sure put the onus on them to really concentrate on producing beautiful and more disease resistant roses that the average gardener could enjoy without all the hassles of fighting off diseases as much as we still seem to do today.
Also, I wish science could come up with a test to accurately measure a roses true disease resistance in a logical way we could all understand and rate and certify them as such. When selecting breeding plants then a hybridyzer would know what they have to work with and would use only those roses that meet or better an accepted level of disease resistance. That still wouldn't guarantee total disease resistance, but would sure be helpful to those of us trying like the dickens to breed more disease resistant roses that are still beautiful enough to exhibit and enjoy in the garden.
I am only a fairly new small time rosarian breeder but I am proud that the three roses I have kept from all the breedings I've done the past 5 years I believe could live in a no-spray garden with no difficulty.
Lastly, I think that propagation of roses by cloning weakens each generation so very minutely it isn't noticeable to the naked eye. But when the cloning has been done 1,000 times, it really adds up to alot of weakening! 4 years ago I was lucky to find a neighbor man with a 40 year old Peace bush that knocked my socks off. He knew the age because they planted it when they got their first home after marriage. I had budwood from that old Peace bush budded onto multiflora rootstock and got 5 new "old" Peace bushes. You wouldn't believe the difference in these bushes compared to the modern Peace roses sold today. Most rosarian gardeners probably would hardly even know what it was. My Peace bushes are 10 times more disease resistant, vigorous, and winter hardy. Even with a BS magnet next to one of them in my garden, my Peace bushes stay almost perfectly clean with little fungicide spray at all for them. As well, these Peace blooms are decadently large and richly colorful with twice the fragrance, and the quickest repeat bloomers of any new Peace bushes sold today. The difference is amazing!!
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