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Deborah Petersen
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Initial post 17 APR 11 by jannorcal
Per discussion with Fred Boutin, this rose may be Queen Mab.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 10 APR 16 by Patricia Routley
Five years on, how are the discussions going?
Reply #2 of 4 posted 22 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
I haven't seen 'Queen Mab' in person, but this rose never shows pink, at any time of the year or at any stage of its bloom, in my experience, and is consistently a true apricot (like 'Lady Hillingdon'), unlike what the photos of 'Queen Mab' show (except of course for the time it bloomed pure white, as in the photo I just put up - and below!).
Reply #3 of 4 posted 22 APR 16 by Patricia Routley
A most interesting photo Deborah. I can't help thinking of the 'Lady Roberts' which periodically changed from yellow to white. See "Blanche Roberts".
Reply #4 of 4 posted 23 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
Well, Patricia, what an interesting observation! Perhaps some affinity with the 'Lady Roberts'/'Anna Olivier' line? The color on this rose can fade precipitously in certain weathers. Here are photos of a half-open bud this morning, after it rained all day yesterday. There are still traces of apricot color deeper inside, but the color is overall very pale.
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Initial post 22 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
I think there may be a question as to whether "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange" and "Marlowe Soft Orange" are the same. "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange" is thought to be 'Royal Sunset' (in Kim Rupert's estimation, per Anita Clevenger in her post on Gardenweb, referenced below), however when I took samples of my "Marlowe Soft Orange" to the Berkeley municipal rose garden and did comparisons of it to the two 'Royal Sunset' plants they grow there, it was clear to me that the two roses are not the same, albeit very similar (see Gardenweb topic here: and scroll down to comparison photos in posts 18 and 19). The most obvious difference is in the leaves, with those of "Marlowe Soft Orange" being quite matte, versus the shiny leaves of 'Royal Sunset'. So, If "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange" actually is 'Royal Sunset', then it is not "Marlowe Soft Orange".

And, according to Anita Clevenger (post #12 in the same topic), her comparisons of "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange" to the "Marlowe Soft Orange" on the Santa Clara University fence showed that they were not the same.

Therefore, I think that "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange" should have its own HMF page, where photos of that rose can be published unambiguously, the differences between MSO and RACO discerned, and the possible ID of RACO as 'Royal Sunset' also examined. Note that there are no photos of "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange" actually posted here -- it's all "Marlowe Soft Orange" (is the plant in the cemetery the only known plant of RACO?), so it's difficult to know what "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange" actually looks like.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 APR 16 by Patricia Routley
OK. "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange" (shiny foliage) now has its own page.
That just leaves "Dr. Kelley's Tea" sitting in the "Marlowe Soft Orange" (matte foliage) page.
Deborah, may I say that I really appreciate the clarity of your comments. Thanks.
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Initial post 17 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
If indeed a climber, a very lethargic one. It also blooms often and regularly all season long, unlike many large-flowered climbers. I myself regard it as sort of a rangy bush, so far.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 18 APR 16 by Patricia Routley
Vintage, MR123 and you all say it is restrained. I've changed the class to a shrub, instead of a climbing HT.
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Initial post 17 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
Not in the references, but here is its entry in the Vintage Garden Book of Roses: "Lundy's Lane Yellow", HT, rrr/fff/3, unknown, found [Lowery, found]. "An old Pernetiana of golden-salmon to clear yellow to straw, small but full and well-formed. Apple-green foliage abundantly covers this shapely shrub."
Reply #1 of 2 posted 17 APR 16 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Deborah. Added. I have also added the tiny clues you give with your photographs. Well done! Vintage said "apple green" foliage, but the photos look 'Peace'-ish deep green to me and so I have added "deep green" foliage.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 17 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
Yes, I've always wondered about that "apple-green" description for the leaves -- always dark green here.
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