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John A Starnes Jr.
most recent 17 FEB 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 FEB 18 by Starnes Jr., John A.
I keep trying to renew my membership but PayPal does not work. Help! John
most recent 15 OCT 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 OCT 17 by thebig-bear

I'm wondering about using this rose as a seed parent in my own breeding work, and I'm interested to see that you have used it. Please could you tell me; how well did it set seed, how many seeds per hip, percentage germinate etc? Did it have repeat-flowering offspring at all? Also, how shade tolerant did you find it, and what about in poor soils?

Many thanks,

Reply #1 of 2 posted 14 OCT 17 by Starnes Jr., John A.
It did well for me in Denver years ago as a seed parent, but this once bloomer was the only seedling I kept. Here in Tampa it survived for three years, rarely bloomed, then died. Good luck! John
Reply #2 of 2 posted 15 OCT 17 by thebig-bear
Thanks John.
most recent 2 MAR 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 MAR 06 by Starnes Jr., John A.
In 1982 the Tampa Rose Society told me that all the "Cracker Roses" all over central Florida were from cuttings originating from roses sold by the renowned Holmes Nursery on Mothers' Day of 1932. In the late 80's I added "Pink" to the name after Malcolm Manners and a founding member of his rose group said that "Cracker Rose" technically referred to the red China "Cramoisi Superieur/Louis Philippe" despite this pink China, which he felt he had never encountered, being traditionally called that by countless elder Floridians. He felt folks were simply mistaking 'Old Blush' for this rose but came to realize that his huge hedge of OB on the campus WAS in fact "Pink Cracker Rose" upon noticing the classic traits: VERY rare hip set, extreme vigor that can enable it to be a pillar rose, a tendency for large bloom clusters on the tips of spring basals, and a higher petal count. PCR exhibits amazing health and nematode resistance in Florida where so many roses languish and fail, plus roots easily from cuttings. It has proven VERY sterile in my breeding work. When Joyce Demits saw Malcolm's hedge of PCR on his campus she immediately felt it was ''Burbank' and showed me traits from both parents in both the foliage and the blooms. For years I'd been buying any and all pink Chinas to compare and had come to the same conclusion. Prior to that, my best guess had been the triploid form of 'Old Blush' about which there is very scant data. But that could help explain the sterility.
Reply #1 of 10 posted 4 APR 06 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi, John. Thank you for posting this information! Have you noticed any scent from the new growth tips or peduncles and sepals? That may help to determine its ancestry. You might also contact Sequoia Nursery about sending them some of this plant. Mr. Moore knew the Burbank rose and has sought it for years in hopes of incorporating it in breeding. He may be of help identifying it as Burbank or not.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 4 APR 06 by Starnes Jr., John A.
Thanks Kim....should I call/e-mail Carolyn? John
Reply #3 of 10 posted 4 APR 06 by Rupert, Kim L.
Boy! That response was quick! LOL! Either way, your choice. A phone call will get a quicker response, but an email doesn't interrupt progress and is more cost effective. An email can also be shown to Mr. Moore more easily. I'd post a link to the great photos you posted to Help Me Find, too. He may be able to identify it from those, but a plant in the hand is worth many thousands of photos, as you know. Thank you! Kim
Reply #4 of 10 posted 25 DEC 15 by scvirginia
This is an old discussion, but I'm wondering if Mr. Moore ever got a chance to look over this rose, and if he had any opinion about whether it might be 'Burbank'.

Reply #5 of 10 posted 25 DEC 15 by Rupert, Kim L.
If he did, I never heard his response, unfortunately.
Reply #6 of 10 posted 25 DEC 15 by scvirginia
Thanks, Kim... I was wondering if this rose could be 'Balduin', Peter Lambert's HT ('Charles Darwin' x 'Marie van Houtte'). According to early records, it was widely planted in the South (often as 'Helen Gould'), and is sometimes described as being deep pink with darker outer petals.

I don't grow a Pink Cracker Rose, so can't say if it could be an early HT.

Thanks again,
Reply #7 of 10 posted 26 DEC 15 by Patricia Routley
Well it could be a HT for all the information given on the main page!
Not even a basic colour is listed! sigh......
Oh - I see Mel Hulse opened this file back in 2006. He is quite forgiven.
What about if I add the following?
Class: China
Colour: pink, darker edges.
Double in summer, very double in autumn
Clusters on large basal shoots
Scent: sweet fruity
Rare hip set, sterile
Height: 5 feet?
Possibilities: 'Old Blush Climbing', 'Burbank', 'Balduin'
Reply #8 of 10 posted 26 DEC 15 by Rupert, Kim L.
You're welcome, Virginia. Thank you, Patricia, I think those would be great additions!
Reply #9 of 10 posted 26 DEC 15 by scvirginia
Yes, something is better than nothing, and can be corrected if need be.

I noticed that a FL nursery was selling a "Cracker Rose Pink" that looked quite different from the photos at this record. I would not be astonished to hear that more than one pink rose in Florida (or the South) goes by the endearment "Cracker Rose", but I think we need to wait for someone who grows something by that name to volunteer some more details.

Reply #10 of 10 posted 2 MAR 16 by AquaEyes
I know I'm adding to an old discussion, but.....

I have 'Napoleon' from Vintage Gardens growing in a south-facing bed against the side of a house. Many of the traits I see mentioned here also apply to 'Napoleon' -- vast increase in petal count in Autumn, I have yet to see a hip form, vigorous growth and THICK basals on my almost 3YO plant, "gobstopper-like" candy fragrance. John Starnes had commented on a pic of my plant which I posted to Facebook that he thought 'Napoleon' might be a possible identity, but he didn't mention what made him scratch that off the list.


most recent 24 JUN 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 24 JUN 13 by skiekitty
Ruby Voodoo is a medium pink rose that's more like a cabbage or DA rose than a HT.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 24 JUN 13 by Calif Sue
skiekitty, you are commenting on a bloom posted by the hybridizer of this rose, I would think he would know if this is his rose or not. :-)
Reply #2 of 3 posted 24 JUN 13 by Starnes Jr., John A.
Thank you. The first pic was shot on film by a friend when the rose was young...the latter pics seen on-line were shot by various people testing my 'Ruby Voodoo' for Colorado Plant Select. The discrepancy IS amazing, plus that the plant once a once bloomer its first three years then became remontant while being field tested at Ft. Collins Nursery by Scott Scogerboe!
Reply #3 of 3 posted 24 JUN 13 by skiekitty
The pictures I took & posted were of a plant I found at Paulino's Nursery here in Denver, CO.
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