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most recent 3 OCT 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 3 OCT 17 by kysusan
Available from - Regan Roses carries this rose.
most recent 9 SEP 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 29 MAR 17 by Give me caffeine
Updated information:

Typical Hybrid Tea. Defoliates to a bunch of sticks every so often. Great if you like that sort of thing.

Am going to persevere with it, for now, because it's so good when it's good.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 29 AUG 17 by kysusan
Mine is doing the same, sadly.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 29 AUG 17 by Give me caffeine
Oh yes? Under what conditions?

I'm not sure I've got my "care regime" right for this rose.
Where "care regime" is a euphemism for "doing bugger all and seeing if it survives".
Reply #3 of 6 posted 8 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace
Did you ever happen to notice what conditions make her defoliate? I need to get them in the ground but was holding out for the verdict before I put them in a prominent place! They can deal with my soil so at least I've tested them on that.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 8 SEP 17 by Give me caffeine
I'm not sure if it's me or the rose. I'm by no means an expert so you should probably take what I say with a grain of salt at this stage. I'll have a better idea once I've grown it for a couple more years.

On the other hand, if I don't complain about a rose I'm growing it's probably idiot-proof, at least in my climate and on my soil.

The first point is that this rose, along with most of them, went underwater when a cyclone came down the coast. It would only have been underwater for few hours (the heaviest rain was at night, so I don't know the exact period of submersion) but roses are not keen on growing in aquariums. Also, even though it wasn't submerged for long, the soil was absolutely sodden for a day or so before and several days after. The bush didn't defoliate at this stage, but the experience would probably not have done it any good. It may have contributed to the later defoliation, through effects on the bush and/or the soil. Quite a few of the others defoliated at about the same time.

The defoliation occurred later, in winter. I'm not sure why. Conditions weren't extreme in any way, as our winters are generally very mild.* It is possible that some of them just happened to go into dormancy and that is why they dropped leaves, but last winter (which was much the same) they had just been planted and were going like rockets.

Anyway all the bushes that had been sulking, including 'New Zealand' are now bouncing back very nicely for spring.

*IIRC the minimum temperature this year was 2 Celsius (about 36 Fahrenheit) and that was only for one night. Most nights it would have been several degrees higher.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 9 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
I get this temperature during the summer!
Reply #6 of 6 posted 9 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much for the info, appreciate it!
most recent 1 SEP 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 1 SEP 17 by kysusan
Planted a grafted bare root this spring. It's blooming surprisingly well for being so new, vigorous, upright, strong stems, scent is strong of peaches. No disease so far (September) with very minimal spraying.
most recent 10 AUG 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 12 SEP 15 by kysusan
Winner of the ARS 2011 James Alexander Gamble award for fragrance.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 13 SEP 15 by Give me caffeine
Nice. I like the sound of that. So, I went looking for more sources in Australia. Apart from Trewallyn (already listed) this one also appears to be available from Corporate Roses, Heirloom Roses and Rose Sales Online.

I would provide direct links to the relevant pages, but unfortunately HMF only allows one link per post.

(subtle hint there)
Reply #2 of 4 posted 13 SEP 15 by Give me caffeine
Oh and Green E Roses has it too:

By the way, does anyone have an opinion on how spikey this rose is?
Reply #3 of 4 posted 14 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
I think Heirloom may not be an Australian nursery.

Both Corporate Roses and Rosesalesonline (Silkie Gardens) choose not to list their roses with HelpMeFind. (just why is completely beyond me!) If I was buying this rose, I would choose either Trewallyn or Green E Roses who do list their roses with HelpMeFind. Green E Roses has also been supporting the Heritage Roses in Australia movement for many years and I hope Australians can support them in return with their custom.

Sorry I can't help with how spikey 'Elle' is.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 10 AUG 17 by 1
I had a similar conversation with Dickson's social media person on Facebook. They use some local UK database, that is rarely ever used. They refused to care about HMF. I have wrote to them on two occasions, asking if they would talk about lineages of some roses with missing lineages of commercial varieties, and they never responded.

I think its a missed opportunity, but one can't force the issue, so I dropped trying.
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