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HubertG 
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Alister Clark exhibited a rose named 'Lady Rhodes' at the National Rose Society of Victoria's spring show in 1926 seven years before it was introduced into commerce in 1933. Lady Rhodes herself died in 1929. The rose exhibited in 1926 was described in The Australasian simply as "pink". The rose introduced in 1933 suggests a red to reddish pink. Although they are probably the same rose, the odd posthumous introduction makes me wonder if perhaps another rose other than the 1926 one was introduced as 'Lady Rhodes' in 1933.
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Guildford Nurseries, Ethel Street, Guildford, was owned by Charles Rhodes. (see 1939 advertisement photo uploaded today in “Red Ethel”. )
It is feasible that they may have stocked Alister Clark’s ‘Lady Rhodes’ <1933 rose. Does anybody have access to any of Guildford Nurseries catalogues?
‘Lady Rhodes’ was said to be of moderate height, short stems, and a lasting bloom.
However, the colour was said to be “between red and pink” and “scarlet, passing to crimson carmine” with 60 petals.
How many petals does “Red Ethel" have?
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#1 of 6 posted
yesterday by
HubertG
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A quick look at Trove says that he was also Mayor of Guildford and was involved in judging rose exhibitions. One article mentions that 'Billy Boiler' grew at the nursery so it's very likely that he sold other Clark roses. I'm wondering if he might have been family to Mrs. Clark.
From the Perth 'Mirror' 7 June 1930 page 5:
"Roses there are by the hundred from the old time Gloir de Dijon and Marechal Ney [sic] to the new and perhaps more fashionable varieties. There is a grand new scarlet rose, Billy Boiler, which flowers all the year round. But space forbids telling of all the horticultural wonders."
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Thanks HubertG.
Alister Clark was born in 1864, so any contemporary may have been Charles Rhodes Sr.
Charles Cecil Rhodes born c1898. was the nursery owner.
His mother's name was Frances Rhodes and it was his father, also Charles Rhodes who was the Mayor. The family's address was 7 Olive Street, Guildford.
From the website Guildfordanzacs:
Rhodes became a noted horticulturalist in WA . He later developed extensive commercial rose gardens in Ethel Street and and another nursery in Market Street, Guildford. Rhodes wrote articles for the West Australian and was noted rosarian. C.C. Rhodes' father was a noted civic figure and was a Mayor of Guildford.
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You can visit the property 'Otahuna' owned by Alister Clark's brother-in-law in the south island of NZ (where I stranded a hire car on a rock - Patricia would remember the Heritage Rose roadtrip in the region).
(Edited to remove an error.)
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With great clarity Margaret. I recall swearing OUT ALOUD when you hit the rock and I was sitting in the back with Milton Nurse.
I think I have found a births/deaths/ marriages connection to Arthur Rhodes who was Alister Clark's brother-in-law. (brother to Edith Clark (nee Rhodes) and the lawyer for the Clark family.
However, it is my first time at this stuff and I am getting bamboozled a bit. Take the following with some salt for the moment.
Arthur RHODES married
Annie Elizabeth JOY
Their child was
Annie Elizabeth RHODES (c1868-1936) aged 68 who died in Middle Swan, W.A.
Charles Rhodes [Sr,] (c1898-1948) married
Frances ….. (....-1953).
Their child was:
Charles Cecil Rhodes [Jr.] (c1898-1987) aged 89. Died at Boya, W.A.
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Looking at 'The Women behind the Roses', by the Govanstones (Rosenberg 2010).
Arthur Heaton Rhodes and Sophia Circuit Rhodes of 'Elmwood', Christchurch, NZ had 6 children.
Edith Rhodes married Alister Clark in 1888.
Heaton Rhodes married Alister's sister Jessie Clark.
The contemporary baritone Teddy Tahu Rhodes may come from a different line, as his ancestors added the name Tahu (a Maori word meaning 'to set on fire') to theirs soon after arrival in NZ (early 1840s). But someone more competent in tracing families is welcome to correct me.
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#6 of 6 posted
today by
HubertG
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Regarding any possible connection between Mrs Clark and Charles Rhodes - both trees seem to have been fairly well researched and are online and although both their Rhodes lines ultimately go back to Yorkshire, I can't see any connection between the two families going back to the early 18th century at least.
Charles Rhodes (1874 -1948) was a Fellow of the Royal Horticultural Society according to the newspapers, so considering that and his surname it's still possible that Alister Clark knew of him, and it would be nice to think that he sent roses over to him. Upon being appointed Mayor of Guildford in 1921 Charles Rhodes tendered his resignation as inspector for the Agricultural Department of the Swan district. Both he and his son Charles Cecil Rhodes are listed as "Nurseryman"at the same address in the 1931 Swan Electoral roll.
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13 days ago by
HubertG
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If the photo in the 1957-58 Kordes catalogue is any indication it looks like the other photos here of 'Dorothy Goodwin' show a reversion to 'Peace'.
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#1 of 2 posted
13 days ago by
Nastarana
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Is this rose still being sold in Australia? Does it still grow in any Australian garden?
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#2 of 2 posted
13 days ago by
HubertG
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I don't know but I'd say not. I just came across the old photograph randomly looking for something else and thought it was interesting enough to post.
I note that it wasn't in Kordes' catalogue of 1962 (if I recall correctly) so it seems like it might have been an unstable sport.
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This is listed as "Archduke Joseph" (with no description) in the Mount Barker Courier of 11 April, 1902, page 3, in an article describing the Aldgate Nursery of Messrs. Smith and Menzel in South Australia.
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I am sure Archduke was a pretty common mis-spelling in Australia. I know ‘Archiduc Charles’ copped it as well for decades.
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I've come across a wonderful example of how names blur. Peach Melba, as a favourite of US sailors eating out at a Barcelona restaurant, became pijama (pyjamas) among the Catalan kitchen staff, and variants of the dish were for a while part of Catalan cuisine. (Wiki).
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#3 of 5 posted
2 MAY 20 by
HubertG
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Sorry, my point was not really that there was an obvious synonym but that this rose was available at a South Australian nursery rather early on. (Note to self - best not to post at 3am in bed lol).
The Aldgate nursery was also the only nursery in Australia found in old archives so far to have sold 'Albert Stopford', so, as they seemed to have imported a lot of varieties, I do wonder if any foundlings in that region might be rather rare or obscure cultivars.
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Have just come across this posting. Yes, we have found some rarities in the area. Eg what we think is Geschwind's Orden in the next little town, Mylor. And a nice HP, "Mylor Primary", one of the many pink-and-silvers. And the ubiquitous (in southern Australia and NZ) "Hugh Childs".
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#5 of 5 posted
9 APR by
HubertG
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If I recall correctly, that Aldgate nursey was quite a large affair, so the chances of any foundling from Mylor having been purchased at that nursery are extremely high in my opinion. A nursery list or two from that time would be handy to narrow down the Mylor foundling possibilities.
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