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HubertG 
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"Agnes Smith" has a good scent to my nose but it's unlike other Teas and really hard to describe. Trying to concentrate the scent I put a bloom in a small, sealed container and after a while I sniffed it. I found that a distinct damask scent was detectable in this way. It isn't really discernable otherwise, and even after knowing it's somewhere there in the make-up I don't know if I'd be able to detect it on a fresh flower. It makes me think that this rose must have some Bourbon breeding in its background although it's probably distant as I wouldn't think to class "Agnes Smith" as anything other than a Tea. It makes me wonder how late or early a Tea it really is.
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Any suggestions on ID? The parent plant is tall and healthy; my young cutting-grown potted plant is tall. Pacifier, who collected the cuttings from a Melbourne suburb Braybrook, says the colour is very temperature-dependent, and the scent is like rose soap. He thinks it is a 1950s or '60s Peace type, possibly French.
The first flower on my plant is about 12cm across, about the same size as Peace.
It has pink/red stamens. Sorry the reverse photo is out of focus. Photos taken in South Australia, zone 9, summer.
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Are you thinking this is a 'Peace' sport or seedling? "Peace' and the sports I have seen have a characteristic puckering along the midribs of their leaflets. I could not see that at all on photo#1, but there might have been some on photo # 4.
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As you say, the leaves aren't right for a Peace sport. Could be a descendant.
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8 JAN by
HubertG
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Might it be 'Confidence'?
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Good suggestion. I'll ask Pacifier. Patricia grows Confidence and may like to comment.
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I think the suggestion of Confidence might be correct. The comments in the reference section seem to match well with this rose. If correct as Confidence, my initial suspicions were pretty close to the mark if I say so myself!
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I was under the impression that ‘Peace’ had dark green leaves - and “Braybrook” has light green leaves.
I have added a 2007 and a 2009 photo of my ‘Confidence’ but the plant, on its own roots has not done well here.
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The old leaves on my "Braybrook", not that there are many, are darker than the leaves in my photos.
I'm less certain about the references that suggest a paler reverse to the petals.
However the petals do show a faint striping like those in Patricia's photo.
Can someone who grows Confidence please comment on the stamen colour?
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Based upon it being short and the leaves having that somewhat rounded 'Lady Mary Fitzwilliam' look, I was wondering if this rose might be its offspring 'Mrs W J Grant'/'Belle Siebrecht'. There are quite a few good original photos in that file but they do seem to vary a fair bit, and even the colour descriptions aren't incredibly consistent. However, to me, overall it doesn't seem too different and perhaps anyone growing it might care to take a look and compare.
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We don't have a correctly-named Belle Siebrecht in Aus to compare it with. It must be around somewhere, given that it was in The Argus 12 (recommended by a Melbourne newspaper after a plebiscite of readers, and sold as a batch by some nurseries) for many years. It was in The Advertiser (SA) top 12 in 1910. There must have been hundreds planted.
Some aspects from the references that match are: blooms early, very fragrant.
So far the closest to Grandma Pfeiler's is said to be Laurent Carle, which I haven't grown.
The plant (of G P) at Blakiston is now about 1m high.
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28 DEC by
HubertG
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For an old rose to survive chances are it was both very tough and long-lived and widely planted. Anything that is easy to propagate by cuttings would help too. So any rose that wasn't a wimp that was in The Argus Twelve has a decent chance of having survived somewhere in Australia.
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Any idea of the other parent?
It'll be interesting to see how this one develops.
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The plant of "Almerta Orchard Pink" is in a block of roses at the Barossa Old Rose Repository at Angaston: one of the nearby roses is White Maman Cochet.
Photo attached was taken a day after the first (newly-opened), showing that it has become pink in response to sunlight.
We have a small project, of finding out which of our name-lost Teas are seed-fertile.
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23 DEC by
HubertG
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My experience with 'White Maman Cochet' is that it does produce pollen but it really isn't accessible unless you pick the central rosette apart and remove the comparatively few pollen sacs with tweezers. And even then you don't necessarily get a lot of pollen. So not particular available to bees or other insects. It's not impossible that WMC could be the pollen parent but in my humble opinion it's more likely something else. The seedling is very pretty though and would certainly be worth growing on because of its photochromic nature alone.
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Good point re White Maman Cochet. All I know for sure is the seed parent, and that it will repeat-flower - old southern rose breeder's rule: If it flowers before Christmas...
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