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Initial post 15 JUL by Garden Therapy

I'm so excited to finally find a gardener from the Treasure Valley! I am an absolute novice gardener and I just recently moved to the area. I was wondering if you could please give me some advice on roses. I have a small sunny spot in my front yard and I'm looking for a small (preferably no larger than about 3-4 foot high) pink rose that blooms well in the heat. I have been scoping out the Julia Davis Rose Garden and I really love Tournament of Roses, Elle, and Sexy Rexy, but I'm a bit worried that they will get too big for my yard. I keep reading about how different climates affect how large roses grow. I have been drooling over your gorgeous photos and I was wondering if you have any recommendations?

Thank you so much!
Reply #1 of 10 posted 15 JUL by Jean Marion
Hi. Thanks for reaching out. Roses are a very fun hobby once you get the hang of it.

I have been gardening in the Treasure Valley since 1999. Back then Julia Davis Park was a site to behold; quite breathtaking. It is saddening to see what it has become in comparison now. We used to go there for date night, and one year with the kids to watch the fireworks on the 4th of July. I'm glad their roses inspire you today. Many of their older roses that have since been removed, inspired me way back when I was getting started.

There used to be many nurseries in the Treasure Valley that sold roses. Now, most of them have closed. If you want to purchase roses, April is usually the time to buy them at the nurseries. The hobby of growing roses isn't as hot as it used to be and you may have trouble finding roses that you see and think are pretty for sale. Generally I find roses for sale, and then research them to see how worthy they are. It's hard to do it the other way around these days.

In regards to your questions, Tournament of Roses was the rose of the year when it came out. It is a stellar rose. I have it right up front next to the sidewalk. As a grandiflora (tall roses) mine is currently 5½' tall, however it would be taller in my yard if it didn't get so much shade. I love it because the blooms last a very long time, both on the bush and in the vase. For me, longevity (on the bush) is the #1 most important thing. What good is having a beautiful rose if it only lasts 2 days? That's my opinion anyway. I don't care that it is not fragrant. ToR acts like a typical grandiflora. Several blooms at the end of one long cane here and there. It reminds me a lot of Queen Elizabeth which is a little bit more of a bluish pink, but the blooms don't last as long.

Of the baby pink roses, Sexy Rexy is my #1 fave pink. It has one of the highest ratings of All of the roses. As a parent it is amazing. {‘Fabulous!’ a floriferous pristine white rose that was also rose of the year, had Sexy Rexy and the famous 'Iceberg' as its parents.} Sexy Rexy was a name that made fun of a rosarian named Rex. Since it is a floribunda, it is supposed to be a round bush full of roses that stays short. It has always been around 4' here. (Floribundas are my fave type of rose. For a colorful garden they work great.) Now my poor SR did not bloom this year. Unfortunately I planted it under a cute tree way back that is now a monster, and SR is in complete 95% shade.

IdahoRoseLady used to grow Elle. She was a member of the Idaho Rose Society, but they moved down to Arizona where it is too hot for roses. Whenever I saw the rose at her house, or at a public rose garden I was not impressed. Yes, it won rose of the year, and if you just look at one bloom for a half hour you would see a pretty bloom. I see a pink that is too light, petals that are too thin, a bloom that is too small and blooms on the bush that don't age well. Again, just my opinion. It has a lot of favorite votes due to the shape of the bloom when it first opens. Not something that impresses me anyway.

You mentioned heat. Roses are not overly fond of heat. We get a spring flush when they all bloom at once, and then some of the more hardy ones might put out some blooms during the summer when we are in the 90ºs, but basically we are waiting again for it to cool down for the autumn flush that happens around Sept. In order to keep roses alive during the heat of the summer, they must be watered often. If they do bloom, the flowers will be smaller. That is due to the sun and heat. It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the rose. It is trying its hardest. Do not fertilize during the heat of the summer; it will make them work too hard.

You mentioned worrying about how tall the rose gets. Make sure to put it at least 3' away from your house. If you prune it down at the beginning of each spring, if the rose is meant to be shorter, it should stay short. I allow many of my roses to grow taller, simply because they are near a backyard fence and it doesn't matter there so much. I just don't prune them in the spring and they continue to grow larger around and taller.

I used to purchase my new roses from I have been to their place in Oregon and they really know their stuff. Of what they have available right now, in the pink category, I do see that they have Sexy Rexy. I would 100% recommend it for its color, height, and how much it blooms. (Takes a couple of years to reach full size though.) Now earlier this year I discovered that they are selling their 'in-stock' roses on Amazon. Although they are a higher price on Amazon, when you take into consideration the free shipping (with Prime), the roses are $10 less. Just an option if you have Prime.

Good luck in finding the perfect rose for your spot. If you find a rose to purchase, and aren't sure about what it is like, feel free to contact me. I have had many roses over the years, photographed many more, and have friends that have experienced growing others that I don't have. Yup, apparently I still like yapping about roses. :-)
Reply #2 of 10 posted 15 JUL by Garden Therapy
Oh my goodness, thank you for all this information! There is a Sexy Rexy at the rose park but it is just tiny and I did not know if it was mature or if it had been planted yesterday! I really appreciate your insight. I've moved Sexy Rexy to the top of my list now.

Thank you again for taking the time to type out your helpful comment!
Reply #3 of 10 posted 16 JUL by MADActuary
I'll second the choice of Sexy Rexy. I'd suggest getting three and planting them in a triangle about 16 to 18 inches apart. See the pic I posted of Sexy in Photos - it produces quite a display on a well-behaved 3 foot plant.
Reply #4 of 10 posted 16 JUL by Jean Marion
I like how you post pictures of the full bushes. Not many people do that here. Your Sexy Rexy bush is gorgeous! Your blooms are larger than mine, they must get much more sun. Nice to know SR does well in zone 5b.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 16 JUL by Garden Therapy
Just stunning! Thank you for the inspiration!
Reply #6 of 10 posted 17 JUL by Garden Therapy
Thanks for all of your help! Do you know if the rose Bonica gets tall in our area?
Reply #7 of 10 posted 17 JUL by Jean Marion
Bonica used to be the star of Julia Davis Park. Spread in a large border hedge from one side of the park to the other with an archway to enter the rose garden in between. You can see that picture I posted here with her in full bloom that shows what Bonica can look like when planted en masse. Another Rose of the Year winner when she came out.

I also posted a pic of her with the miniatures Lavender Crystal and What a Peach to show the size of the individual blooms. They were small. Her value is as a shrub rose covered in blooms. Each bloom smallish, but all together on the bush, quite a show.

I purchased her soon after seeing that display at the park. The rose bushes had most likely been there for more than 2 decades when I took that picture. I didn't realize that it would take many years for my bush to become that full. She remained the size of a miniature for me. (Around 2')

I had another baby pink miniature Baby Grand, in which the blooms lasted for a longer period of time and I thought they were more attractive. So I kept BG and Bonica went bye bye.

When I saw that all of the Bonica hedges had been ripped out of JD Park, I was heartbroken. Such a beautiful display only to be seen in pictures again.

Should you purchase Bonica? If you want a 2' - 5' hedge or grouping, she would be good. As a standalone rose, I would go with something with larger blooms that possibly last longer on the bush.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 18 JUL by Garden Therapy
Your pictures are so pretty! It's too bad about the hedge at the park. Thanks for answering!
Reply #9 of 10 posted 18 JUL by Jean Marion
Just wanted to mention in regards to Tournament of Roses. I'm not sure how tall it is down in Boise. I haven't been to the park for several years. I mentioned that my ToR is 5½' tall in the shade. I realized that it is that tall because I do not prune it in the spring. It is in the center surrounded by shorter roses. Kind of like the star of the show. So anyway, with regular annual pruning, it might very well be around 4' tall each year.
Reply #10 of 10 posted 18 JUL by Garden Therapy
Thanks for explaining. Goodness, there are so many pretty options! I'm going to have to find more space for these roses!
most recent 1 JUL HIDE POSTS
Initial post 28 JUN by MADActuary
I just posted a pretty good pic of a well-cared-for Dr. Huey
Reply #1 of 2 posted 28 JUN by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Pretty in it's season but a horrible mildew magnet.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 JUL by MADActuary
Not a mildew magnet for me once I started taking care of it about 4 years ago. I didn't choose it - was here when we bought this house. The budded variety, whatever it was, was long gone when we got here.

Now, I've got a ton of pruning to do on the good doctor!
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Initial post 28 JUN by MADActuary
I planted two Pride of England bushes on June 3, 2022. These are own root plants from Heirloom. After only 25 days in the ground I can already see the vigor that this rose has and is described in the Comments below.. They both have deep red new growth everywhere from head to toe. I have my two bushes at a corner of my garden and the rose planted in the exact corner spot is Rose Rhapsody, which was planted same day and is also covered in new deep red shoots. It's looking like that is going to be one helluva garden corner!
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Initial post 25 JUN by Mihnea
I have this 3 years old Wollerton Old Hall. This year I have noticed this discoloration on some of the leaves - perhaps 5% of all the leaves are affected, no more, clustered on only 2 or 3 of the main canes. I cannot be sure if this is the very first time the discoloration has appeared, but, if it did appear in past years, it must have done so on even fewer leaves.
I did search for possible issues and to me it seems that the only good fit would be Rose Mosaic Virus.
Please give me your opinions.

Also, I have found what seem to be reliable sources claiming Mosaic does not spread from one rose to the next, and equally reliable sources claiming the opposite. Would love your thoughts on this too.

Reply #1 of 4 posted 26 JUN by MADActuary
I won't claim to be an expert, but in my opinion that is not rose mosaic virus. It could be from some insect or mite damage (like sawfly larvae) or a slight nutrient imbalance in your soil (calcium, sulfur and magnesium not in the proper balance?).

Rose mosaic virus cannot spread to another plant like blackspot and other fungal diseases. If it's a virus, it WOULD spread to other plants via reproduction. Assuming it is a virus, if you root cuttings from the virused plant then they too will have the virus. If you take a bud eye from the virus plant and bud it to a rootstock that new plant would also have the virus. But the virus cannot spread to other roses in your garden, I am quite sure on that.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 26 JUN by Margaret Furness
I was told by a horticulture PhD student that mosaic virus can be transmitted from the roots of a rose to those of one immediately adjacent to them. I have trouble believing it but it's not my field of expertise.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 26 JUN by Robert Neil Rippetoe
That's defintiely true Margaret. The virus is transferred via root grafting.

I've seen this happen under field conditions.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 26 JUN by Margaret Furness
So I was right to pull out the roses next to an affected one - it hurt at the time.
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