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most recent 9 JUN 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 9 JUN 16 by Kit
In my USDA zone 10a Sunset zone 20 garden Golden Celebration, as a freestanding shrub, is about 20' wide by 12' tall growing in partial shade. Reliably fragrant, heavy first and last flushes but reasonably floriferous throughout the year. I'd recommend it to anyone on the west coast looking for a large deep-butter yellow rose for the garden, p'raps not as a cutter though.

Most leaves from the first flush of the year are senile by June and for the plant to look good need to be plucked.

Flowers are produced from late February till early January, last flush of growth comes in around the winter solstice and blooms in early January just as our summer type weather abruptly ends.

If left in an unattended area of the garden with lower branches unpruned this rose will tip-root and produce very vigorous shoots, to 4' first spring, so you may find it suddenly crowding something it was twenty feet from last year. If you want more shrubs keep an eye out so you can move these while still small (the heat makes it advisable not to transplant here tween July and November unless you pluck off all leaves and keep a hawk-eye on hydration.

Large specimens hold up to sun better than many Austins, but no Austin in my climate has a leaf that can hold up more than five months. If anyone can gainsay that, let us know!
most recent 27 MAR 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 MAR 16 by Kit
I think my 'Sweetness' has hit its preferred size, for the second year in a row the top blossoms are at 15 feet, around 3 meters, and she spreads to about 25 feet or 8 meters wide.

Extremely reliable producer of very fragrant blooms.
most recent 1 SEP 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 22 JUN 12 by Kim Rupert
Has anyone else noticed there plant of First Impression is virtually without prickles? Mine is an own root and has ZERO prickles on it anywhere. Very quick repeat, very healthy and heat resistant, too.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 7 SEP 12 by Kit
I have one with exactly one large thorn, as wicked as any could be but beyond lonesome; and mine by the way is just as fragrant as Sunsprite, ya'ani (ie) - evanescently to unreliably but occasionally fantastic.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 6 AUG 15 by styrax
Is the fragrance heat-dependent (more or less fragrant when it is warm/cool), like some other yellow?
Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 SEP 15 by Rosecandy
Mine has thorns. Not as many as most of my roses, but a decent amount. I bought this rose hoping it would be thorn-free, but it's not :(. It is VERY healthy though, and always blooming! Well worth it ^_^
most recent 13 JUN 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 29 SEP 11 by Jay-Jay
On the website of Kordes the following (translated) info:

Züchter: W. Kordes' Söhne 2007
Öfterblühende Sorte
Farbe: zart rosa
Wuchsform: aufrecht buschig wachsend
Höhe: ca. 80 cm, Breite: ca. 50 cm
Die Angaben für Höhe und Breite können je nach Standort oder Region etwas variieren. Die Breite kann gleichzeitig als Pflanzabstand übernommen werden.
Bemerkung: Die Duftpreise, die diese Sorte in verschiedenen internationalen Rosenwettbewerben erhalten hat , sprechen eine deutliche Sprache: Ihre großen, gefüllten Blüten duften intensiv nach Zitrus-Früchten. Dabei verzweigt sich die Pflanze außergewöhnlich gut und ihr Laub ist sehr widerstandsfähig gegenüber Sternrußtau.
Blütenfüllung: stark gefüllt
Blütendurchmesser: 10 cm
Blattgesundheit: Sternrußtau: leichte Anfälligkeit, Regeneration aus eigener Kraft , Mehltau: höhere Anfälligkeit, Pflanzenstärkungsmittel erforderlich

Repeat flowering
Colour: soft pink
Habit: Upright shrubby form.
Height ± 80 cm, Width ± 50 cm.
Height and width vary by location or region. Width =planting distance
The plant forms a lot of branches, leaves have a very good resistance towards Blackspot
Very double flowerform
Flower Ø 10 cm
A little susceptible for Blackspot, selfregeneration of it.
High susceptability for Mildew. Needs health improving substances. (like leaf fertilizers as seaweadextract or algae-extract*)
* note by Jay-Jay.

They also wrote:
Diese intensiv duftende Rose gehört zu der Auswahl des Kordes-Duftgarten, alles Sorten, an deren himmlischen Aromen Sie sich den ganzen Sommer lang erfreuen können. Füllen Sie Ihren Duftgarten mit einer Vielfalt von Rosen für die Sinne.

Duftpreis und Publikumspreis Nantes 2010, Duftpreis Baden-Baden 08, Duftpreis Belfast 09, Goldmedaille La Tacita 2010, Silbermedaille 08 Baden-Baden, Silbermedaille 09 Echigo
Rosen-Kollektion: Diese Sorte ist Teil der brandneuen Eleganza-Kollektion, ein Sortiment junger, blattgesunder Edelrosen-Züchtungen, die mit ihrer anmutigen Schönheit jeden Garten veredeln. Lassen Sie sich von der Eleganz dieser Neuzüchtungen verzaubern.
Hinweis: Der begehrte Sonderpreis für die am stärksten duftende Rose ging 2008 an die Kordes-Züchtung ‘Beverly®’. Den intensiven Duft der Kordes-Rose analysierte der bekannte Parfumeur und Rosenkenner Phillipe Sauvegrain folgendermaßen: „Ein blumiger Duft wie aus Tausend und einer Nacht untermalt von einem Hauch Litschi und einer süßen Fußnote, die an reife Pflaumen und Mirabellen erinnert“.

(etwas für Jedmar to translate)
Reply #1 of 11 posted 29 SEP 11 by jedmar
I am afraid we do not have the detail to express properly:
"A floral fragrance as if from Thousand and One Nights, accompanied by a hint (the german "breath" is more poetic here) of lychee and a sweet basal note which is reminiscent of plums and mirabelles"
Reply #2 of 11 posted 29 SEP 11 by Jay-Jay
Die Duftbeschreibung stimmt aber wirklich! So riecht diese rose!
Aber tausend und eine Nacht habe ich noch nicht/nie gerochen, aber es gibt einen Eindruck!

The description of ths roses' fragrance I think is correct! The rose smells like this.
1001 night I've never smelled, but it gives a clue/hunch about how it is!
Reply #3 of 11 posted 7 NOV 14 by Kit

A floral scent out of 1001 Nights, punctuated by a breath of lychee and a sweet undertone which evokes plums and mirabelles.

The real problem here is that the expression 'mirabelle'*, as well as the fruit itself, are virtual unknowns in the Anglosphere. The breath idiom can be translated literally with no loss of poetry or sense.

(Not that I actually get poetry from the German, to me it sounds like illiterate Yiddish spoken by a syntactically confused person. Makes Dutch(bad enough) seem quite sensible by contrast. The daytsh tell me that Yiddish sounds even worse to them!)

*BTW: It's a sort of yellow plum.
Reply #4 of 11 posted 7 NOV 14 by Margaret Furness
There are, of course, people who don't find English euphonious.
Reply #5 of 11 posted 7 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
Laat de Nederlanders het maar niet horen!
Reply #6 of 11 posted 7 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
Reply #7 of 11 posted 7 NOV 14 by Patricia Routley
Oh yum! Looks very similar to our sweet-as-honey Greengage plums - Prunus domestica Italica. The dictionary tells me the Greengage was named after Sir W. Gage (1777-1884 , English botanist, who brought it from France. (Nothing at all to do with the 1999 rose but it makes the morning coffee time here interesting.)
Reply #8 of 11 posted 8 NOV 14 by Margaret Furness
Lovely photo Jay-Jay!
Reply #9 of 11 posted 8 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
The Green Gage plum is a very old variety and called in Europe: "Reine Claude Verte".
They are bigger and when ripe much sweeter (like sugar or honey) than Mirabelles.
For the interested people:
It will normally take many years for that plum-tree to become fertile, and even then it will carry just a little amount of fruit.
The trick is, to plant the young tree a little deeper than in the nursery and little by little put compost enriched garden-soil on top of the roots, so the graft will root by itself and the rootstock dies. Than the Reine Claude Verte/Greengage tree will reward You in good years with loads of delicious plums!
Reply #10 of 11 posted 8 NOV 14 by Margaret Furness
Interesting suggestion. The usual cross-pollinator for it here is Coe's Golden Drop, also known as eggplum, which is nothing special, so I'm trying Prune d'Agen instead. The greengage has an added advantage in my area, in that birds don't attack it as much as other plums. I think it likes our climate better than yours, as it can be quite prolific.
Reply #11 of 11 posted 13 JUN 15 by boopie
This rose bush is so beautiful. It has long stems for cutting, but I hesitate to do it because it is so beautiful in bloom that it makes a spectacular landscape bush. My neighborhood is full of dog walkers. Most of them walk their dogs several times a day, and everyone stops to comment on how beautiful this bush is. I rarely cut these flowers out of consideration for my neighbors, they enjoy this bush so much. This is a wonderful bush, and in my climate (southern California, dry and arid) I have not have had to spray for any disease. I love how this bush performs in the garden, it should be considered as a landscape rose as well as it's other attributes. It should be well watered and fertilized for best results.
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