HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
Roses, Clematis and Peonies
and everything gardening related.
Member
Profile
PhotosFavoritesCommentsJournal 
anonymous-723819
most recent 21 MAY 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 MAY 11 by anonymous-723819
Marie Van Houtte, Tea. From Richmond, Va.
Plainly a very great favorite of the old books, depicted frequently. The shape of the bloom is very nice, the coloring basically white, sometimes yelowish, but most attractive when touched with a kind of pink. Thus form and color are its advantages, and health. It has too few petals to be a show rose, and has some of the most horrible thorns in the rose garden. My Marie has the additional bad habit of trying to grow sideways for 3' or so, rather than upward. I moved it, more or less sentencing it to death, but it always came back strongly. Very nice, but one's enough.
REPLY
most recent 21 MAY 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 MAY 11 by anonymous-723819
I remember Souvenir du Docteur Jamain as a dark red, "velvet', thick-petaled rose that turned violet, medium size, well-scented, with tall arching canes that I pegged halfway down to get more flowers. A very lovely rose (mine from Roses of Yesterday and Today), but it needed spraying, and was finally killed by a combination of blackspot and tree roots from a giant tulip poplar that just loved the water I gave the Dr. Also, it bloomed once, never more. Fondly recalled.
REPLY
most recent 21 MAY 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 MAY 11 by anonymous-723819
"Georgetown Tea." I too thought this rose was Mme Lambard by comparison with a photo; others now say it's Mme Antoine Mari, but it seems to me on slight evidence that the Mari has fewer petals than this not-full rose..A final, probably faulty conclusion is that it's a sport or seedling from Mme Lambard.
Plan plenty of room for this monster. It has many of the virtues attributed to it: flowers large and many, health, ease of propagation (this an accident--it touched the ground & a new plant started). No need to spray. The flowers are almost 'full', this not showing the strong fragrance ascribed in other mss here.
The best flower colors come in autumn. Not a show rose, too few petals.
In about 15 years mine grew 20' across (it grows along a stone terrace), by about 10'. It covered a Japanese maple on the terrace below it--one I disliked (wrong plant, wrong place)--, its roots probably were the killer of a nice Mons. Tillier, and was impenetrable beneath, sheltering a grove of pokeweed, hellebore which self-seeds mercilessly, a 3' volunteer ailanthus, and other interlopers.. While its thorns are ordinary in length and number, there was too much of it to escape a good stabbing, so that after gardening your skin looked like you had measles. I age. I can't dance around it or play Tarzan, must simplify. This year I cut it to the ground.
However: If you live in a warm climate, want a huge Tea plant with lots of flowers as a center yardpiece, esp. Spring and Fall, just to one-up the neighbor's new magnolia, & not really planning to be a constant gardiner, try Georgetown Tea.
REPLY
most recent 21 MAY 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 MAY 11 by anonymous-723819
Marchioness of Lodonderry, HP. (Richmond, Va.:) My plant came from the old Roses of Today and Yesterday firm. I also saw the plant in bloom at the Roseraie de l'Haye in Paris. The Parisian rose was like the old, occasional comments about it by books and journals, which can be read in Brent Dickerson's invaluable "The Old Rose Advisor," p.140. There the rose was a greyish white, or what I called "dead man's body white," very unpleasant, as several of the. The RT&Y rose was various shades of whitish pink, as in many of the photos in HMF. Dickerson's book also quotes some rave reviews of Mof L being "ivory white," "the best white rose we have," and so on. I would only send a bouquet of these roses to a funeral.
Somewhere, maybe in a comment by Dickerson in another source (I'm not sure), someone said that it really is the HT Sachsengruess, Hoyer & Klemm, 1913. Dickerson has very little to say on the rose of this name (p.286) except that it was bred from Frau Karl Druschke (HP) & Mme Jules Gravereaux (Cl.).
I grew this rose in an era when I sprayed with systemic fungicide, watered, & also I recall planting some sort of large fish under it, probably an over-welcome halibut from a local shop, sufficiently deep that it didn't grow in putrid corruption, My rose from RY&T in about 3 years becane a 6' bush, well foliaged, large-leaved, which had plenty of room to grow. In its 3rd year it evidently found the halibut. I took apx. 65 giant blooms from the bush, palm-size, managing to make slides of groups of those I picked while it grew more. One bloom won Queen of Show at the Richmond Rose Soc. exhibition as "Marchioness of Londonderry, HP," & several members asked me where I'd got it. Now, though it was a very lovely creature, do remember that rose societies love to give prizes to roses that are large, and roses that are pink. This qualified on both counts.
The bush never performed with such zeal again, and I swear that it bloomed itself to death that year, but probably through my campaign against poisononing myself in interest of keeping my wife happy, I stopped spraying.
In other words, if you belong to one of those Rose Societies where old men spin away the hour discussing what ultra-deadly poisons to spray against spider mites now that their previous poisons have killed off all the insects that preyed on them, you will like this rose. I hardly know where to tell you to go to buy it, but the photos in HMF have a vague, though more meagre, resemblance to the lovely Fausse Marchioness and maybe once came from the same source as mine. She won me a very large glass vase engraved with various vining flowers in the American taste, and of course the ribbon.
REPLY
© 2024 HelpMeFind.com