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Kim Rupert
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HelpMeFind is proud to announce the naming of magnificent rose from breeder Paul Barden after HMF's co-founder Clara Thomson. We are eternally grateful to Paul for this honor. Clara would be over the moon!
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Marvelous! What a wonderful tribute to her!
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I'm happy that I was able to make this well deserved tribute possible.
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This very fragrant rose was named by its creator for his wife.
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I know don Juan is supposed to be fragrant.... but for some reason the one I purchased has very little scent. What would cause this? bad genes? the weather? soil type?
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#1 of 4 posted
9 JAN 13 by
Meryl
I found the same thing but the cause turned out to be my sense of smell. I have no difficulty appreciating the typical red-rose fragrance of roses like Mr Lincoln but my nose seems not to recognise some important chemical component of Don Juan's scent. The flowers of my Don Juan are highly perfumed according to some friends but very indifferent to my nose. Just a suggestion. In your case, the cause may be quite otherwise.
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thanks for the reply. I also heard "climate change" is causing roses to not be as fragrant as in past decades. who knows for sure?
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Being oils and alcohols, fragrance can often be undetectable, not only due to the individual nose's ability to perceive them, but also due to climatic conditions. Too hot, too dry, too windy, too cold or too wet and they may evaporate and blow away quickly, or not even evaporate at all. Like when you apply your cologne. Sometimes, you can smell it for hours. Others, it dissipates nearly immediately after you put it on. You might try cutting opening buds to bring indoors to fully open. In the house, the air is much more still than outdoors. Often, the humidity is higher unless you dehumdify it and it can be warmer than outdoors. This has often permitted "unscented" blooms to be appreciated for their scent. Gene Boerner, the famed breeder for J&P, often tested for fragrance in his seedlings by putting blooms under his hat on his head where they would be warm and humid. I grew Brown Velvet for years, never appreciating its scent, until a friend wrote to be brag on what a wonderful scent it had. I opened some indoors and found they did smell quite good. If you still can't smell them opened indoors and in other seasons, perhaps it is your sniffer, allergies or perhaps the effects of some medication you might be taking? Anti histamines knock out my sense of smell and much of my sense of taste. Then, there are some scents and tastes I am simply immune to. Tropicana has been touted for decades as having a rich scent of ripe raspberries, though it is "green and wet" to me. The scent of Tea in roses smells like clean Tupperware with Orthene, definitely not a desirable scent to my nose!
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I can smell the fragrance of Don Juan and Firefighter but absolutely no scent at all from the big reds, Papa Meilland, Mr. Lincoln, Oklahoma,Crimson Glory. So strange!
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There appears to have been a confusion between what is shown as "Mystic Mauve" and what Armstrong Roses sold as that rose back when it was introduced. There is NO way Angel Face X Allspice could produce a polyantha type flower on a short plant. What I purchased from Armstrong and grew back in the early 1980s was a stiff caned climber with large, mauve, double flowers, not this obvious multiflora derivative. When, where or by whom the confusion occurred, I have no idea, but what is pictured is NOT the "Mystic Mauve" Armstrong released forty-plus years ago.
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11 FEB by
jedmar
Could it be that the synonym 'Lavender Mist' as reported in Modern Roses for 'Mystic Mauve' is incorrect, that these are two distinct roses?
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That could well be the case. Jan's Brentwood Garden lists Mystic Mauve. I've messaged her to inquire if she has the original large flowered variety.
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11 FEB by
jedmar
It seems the synonym is correct, but the plant in commerce in USA as 'Lavender Mist' is not the original variety. Bloom size in commerce is 1", not large, the rest of the description does not fit either. We are separating it into a new listing. Photos from Australia would also be welcome.
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Thank you. I'm glad you also see the issue with this listing. I hope the original Mystic Mauve is still around as it was nice in its own right.
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I heard back from Jan's Brentwood Garden. She received her plant from Rogue Valley Roses as this one of these synonyms so either RVR confused the two or they also have the wrong rose. Once they are separated, the photos of the poly should be moved to the new page, please.
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#6 of 7 posted
11 FEB by
jedmar
Photos moved. But what is the polyantha actually?
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It looks like versions of the various Mignonette or something out of Mike Lowe's Abigail Adams (The Gift X Sweet Chariot). It's very early multiflora poly looking. It could even be something out of Ralph Moore's Blue Mist. Some of the photos also resemble Lavender Cover. Comparing the photos on the RVR site with those here, it's rather variable. It's likely something Rogue Valley obtained through absorbing one of the other nurseries they absorbed over the decades. I've contacted them to alert them their attribution of it being the Christensen large flowered climber is in error and that it had been separated into its own page here. Who knows if that will have any effect? They still have MANY roses they absorbed from Ashdown over a decade ago for which there is only a name entry with no information, no description, no photos, no nothing.
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