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Kim Rupert
most recent 10 SEP SHOW ALL
Initial post 5 JUL 14 by Kim Rupert
Dr. E. M. Mills is approaching his first anniversary in my "garden". He produced thirteen blooms on the small plant this spring, then sat for MANY weeks, appearing not to be doing much other than possibly forming a root system. He suddenly began exploding into much growth. There are many new "laterals" along the older wood with two basal shoots exceeding two and a half feet in length. Yes, he is chlorotic, which is to be expected with the high heat and continual watering, even with feeding. I just noticed there is a flower bud on a new lateral from some of the original growth! I've not discovered anything about whether or not "repeat" bloom should be expected. Now, it has me wondering (and hoping!). Three photos to illustrate this comment are posted in the "Photos" section on this date.
Reply #1 of 10 posted 9 OCT 15 by styrax
The healthiest rose in my garden is Tom's rugosa x xanthia seedling, which he said was marginally pollen fertile. They certainly are a novel source of genes!

Kim, have you ever tried one of these yellows x a mauve rose?
Reply #2 of 10 posted 9 OCT 15 by Kim Rupert
Hi Jakub, do you mean like Blue for You X R. Primula; Blue for You X Dr. Mills; Blue for You X 1-72-1 Hugonis and Lilac Charm X 1-72-1 Hugonis? Yes, they're still refrigerated. I shouldn't plant for a few more months yet. By the way, Dr. Mills threw two more flowers today. I'll post the photos when I'm finished cleaning seeds.
Reply #3 of 10 posted 9 OCT 15 by styrax
Yes I do!

The foliage of Mills looks a little bit like my seedling- maybe there is rugosa, not HT genes in it?
Reply #4 of 10 posted 9 OCT 15 by Kim Rupert
The confusion over its parentage is due to the conflicting reports in the ARS annuals. Initially, it said the other parent was Radiance, which is more interesting to me, but the performance and appearance of the rose point more toward the other possibility. I continue exploring what might result from the first indicated type breeding, though.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 9 OCT 15 by styrax
Either way, it is a very interesting rose- and the kind that drops out of commerce; just too unusual for the average gardener.
Reply #6 of 10 posted 9 OCT 15 by Kim Rupert
Yes, that's precisely what happened and why it took so many years to find it and bring it home. Unforunately, it will happen again with this rose, and MANY others.
Reply #7 of 10 posted 9 OCT 15 by styrax
If only there were enough botanic gardens...
Reply #9 of 10 posted 10 SEP by styrax
Hi Kim, hope you're well. Did anything come out of those seeds?
Reply #10 of 10 posted 10 SEP by Kim Rupert
Hi Jakub, nothing worth retaining, so far.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 10 MAR 16 by 1
There was an ARS article I remember reading as a teen. It was about a breeder from Asia, who used either xanthina and hugonsis (both?) with moderns, and then recorded the results. I think one set was with Queen Elizabeth. I cannot recall more. That was a long time ago.

In regards to the ID of this rose, both rugosa and hugonis or xanthina (being safe, as they can get mixed) set pre-hips behind their blooms, just like Dr. EM Mills. So that rare type of ID cannot even be used in this case. Bummer.
most recent 22 AUG SHOW ALL
Initial post 9 AUG 14 by Enrique R Munoz
I rooted this plant in water years ago (2003), and planted in a pot. It always suffered, having dried out several times in a 9 inch pot. I imagine that this could easily be invasive. I moved it in a nicer and bigger pot, and it flowered a few times even when I haven't paid any attention it. I wonder why it's not in more gardens.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 AUG 14 by Kim Rupert
Precisely because it IS invasive, Enrique. I've grown it and enjoyed it, BUT, and this is an enormous, "BUT", it propagates itself profusely, even when conditions don't seem conducive to it. I raised several seedlings from it including Double Poterifolia.

Which I had to let go due to room and how invasive it was. And, I grow Poterifolia X Old Blush, which I have to keep dried out and starved in a can on pavers to prevent it from helping itself to the surrounding area.

I've heard poterifolia is used as a ground cover around ski chalets where snow cover permits skiing right up to the doors of the buildings, over the rose. I agree it's a lovely, interesting "little" rose, but only if you have the acreage it demands.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 22 AUG by styrax
The specimen in my local botanic garden formed a 20 foot wide mat, right up to the trunk of an oak tree (and would grow wider if they let it!): it's the only 'true' groundcover rose I've seen, dense enough to keep weeds from growing. It would be interesting to see how it grows in it's native habitat.

I'm sure with some effort, it could produce much better landscape roses than those available on the market, but the thought of all the once-blooming behemoths it is sure to produce is discouraging.
most recent 26 JUL SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 MAY 20 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
What a pleasure to have this one. It has beautiful disease-free glossy foliage, holds well to the plant and never defoliates in hot weather. Not at all bothered by rain or bad weather. Buds stay full for an extended period of time. They don’t shatter for 5 days, so the bush can end up filled with half open and fully open blooms at the same time. It has a nice form and naturally spreads out yet with stiff, fat canes, so as to not overcrowd or cross branches. Stays relatively stout, never achieving over 4’ tall here, and they tend to grow extra large in Hawaii.

Wonderfully abundant in flowers, it surprises every year as it will spit out random flowers every blooming month for me, which is just about every month except January. Fragrance is a combination of damask, raspberry, and a hint of cinnamon, which is apropos for this particular color, imho.

I would highly recommend this for the novice gardener and the pro alike, especially if you’re like me and do not spray. Just keep it fed, and it will supply abundant fragrant richly red, well formed and well-fragranced blossoms throughout the growing seasons. There is absolutely nothing bad I could say about this 5 Star Winner! ...except that it’s a must-have if you love red and love easy!
Reply #1 of 4 posted 31 AUG 21 by anonymous_member
Thank you for your review on the Sweet Spirit. I am in 9b and just had a very humid and blazing hot Summer. Most of my roses didn't perform as well as they did. I am in search for some really heat tolerant roses whose color and fragrance don't fade in hot temperature and are relatively healthy and easy to care for. Based on your review, Sweet Spirit sounds like a good candidate, and I will get one this coming Fall.
Since you are located in 11b, do you have some recommendations of nice heat tolerant roses similar to Sweet Spirit? Thank you in advance for your opinion.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 7 FEB by kgs
I have to say all the reports about Sweet Spirit being disease-free surprise me, because last year (my first with this plant) it had really bad rust--in a garden of close to 30 bushes where other roses either had no rust or in one or two cases had a tiny amount I was able to eradicate by removing leaves. (I had never seen rust in my garden before, and I wonder if Sweet Spirit became a vector.) I am giving it a second chance because I was not good about any preventative treatment the previous winter and spring (cleaning up leaves, dormant spray, copper spray, etc.). But this year I'm back to good habits, and I'm giving this bush extra attention. If Sweet Spirit turns into a rust bucket again, out it goes. It stayed small and my guess is the extent of disease played a role in that. I'm not disbelieving the folks who have had good luck with this rose--no two plants are ever identical, and who knows what mutations might be at work. It definitely is Sweet Spirit and the handful of blooms it produced once the rust went away were lovely.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 26 JUL by Kim Rupert
Try increasing the water to the plant. It is often VERY easy to induce roses to mildew and rust by water stressing them.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 26 JUL by Kathy Strong
most recent 9 JUL SHOW ALL
Initial post 28 MAY 10 by Kim Rupert
Paul, isn't this Kim Rupert? 44 Stripe isn't mossed. This photo is. Kim
Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 JUL by Paul Barden
Burling shared 44 Stripe with me, and it’s definitely mossed. Carolyn sent me a plant many years ago as well, and it was also a moss, so…?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 JUL by Kim Rupert
Thank you. I defer to your experience.
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