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billy teabag 
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Is not Careless Love a sport of Mrs. Charles Bell, rather than of Red Radiance? Careless Love often reverts to Mrs. Charles Bell; The Careless Love I had in CA nearly always had striped and solid pinky-beige blooms showing at the same time.
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I don't think so. Most references say it was a sport of 'Red Radiance'. Billy Teabag once sent me a photo of a bowl of 'Careless Love' blooms with all colours from a mostly plain 'Red Radiance'; to a striped one; then a bloom showing both the 'Mrs. Charles Bell' pink with sections of a striped 'Red Radiance colour; as well as the plain pink blooms of 'Mrs. Charles Bell'. All from the same bush of 'Careless Love'. An absolutely fascinating photo, but not mine so I cannot share it.
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Hi Patricia - I've just uploaded photos of what I hope you are referring to - and also a couple of photos taken at Rustons Roses seven years ago, also showing a wide variation in colour.
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Thank you Billy. Mariano from Argentina was asking. Mariano - both of my roses in a slightly cooler location are only ever pink with no stripe.
I've looked up my records and here are my 2002 notes from the possible 'Mrs. Charles J. Bell' plant in my last photo:
As for Careless Love.... I nearly had it for a while. I rang the Blackwood Inn and said the time was right for cuttings of their two old teas? but that I couldn’t make it, and would they mind if my husband picked cuttings of the two old roses by the creek. The man remembered me and actually took Rob up to the little old house next door (with the tyre gardens) and gave him cuttings of a “very old rose with speckles”. This was all just 2ks from Hawters old site and I had just seen a fantastic picture of ‘Rainbow’ that they had found in NZ and I got all excited about my ‘speckled’ rose. I managed to trace the old owner who now lives ‘out the back’ at her sister-in-law’s house in Bunbury and who has to take the phone out to the old luv. You can hear the sister-in-law huffing and puffing as she trudges grumbling out ‘the back’ with the hand-held phone. Old Mrs. Bovelle said she once had ‘Careless Love’ and my interest in the cuttings dropped markedly from then on. All the cuttings struck and I had nine pots of this rose, most of which the Bridgetown Garden Club ladies took when they visited. It turned out to be not ‘Careless Love’ but a very pretty pale apricot pink HT and I have actually planted it and quite like it now.
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You're welcome - thanks for remembering the photo - and for your story of the quest for the speckled rose. So sad that there is not more evidence of the existence of Hawters Nursery. The catalogues are tantalising.
Many moons ago, we called by Blackwood Inn on the way back to Perth from your place, and remember the man well. He was guarding those roses with his life and I suspect you are the only person he would have ever entrusted a cutting to.
(Thank you! for passing on "Blackwood Inn West" - the pale HT - It is such a strong and lovely rose.)
Our plant of 'Careless Love' came with a 'Candy Stripe' label. It was a gift from a friend who obtained it from a lovely woman in the district who budded a small range of favourite fragrant roses each year. I called in on her once and one of the memorable things she said was "I have riches beyond measure. I have a husband who loves his children."
Anyway, as our "Candy Stripe" grew and bloomed, it became obvious it was not correctly named. It is fortunate that the Radiance family have such distinctive foliage and bloom form, making it easy to see that this rose was a member of that family and the 'Careless Love' identity was confirmed when it was compared with named plants at several nurseries.
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I spent some time with Souvenir de St Anne’s this week, giving it a trim and taking out the dead wood. It’s a well established bush that takes care of itself apart from summer watering and the occasional handful of fertiliser. We have hot, dry summers; mild, frost-free winters.
Noticed a small hip and cannot recall seeing a hip on this rose in the past. It is about 1cm in diameter and just beginning to show some colour.
Has anyone who grows Souvenir de St Anne’s found that their plants set hips?
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Graham Stuart Thomas and I corresponded, and I once asked him if 'Souvenir de St. Anne's' was fertile and set hips; he hadn't noticed any.
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This rose looks so beautiful Jeri. Thank you for the photos.
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Would someone who grows "Kombacy Marianne" please comment on whether they have ever seen hips on it.
I note that Mme De Watteville has three descendants, as seed parent.
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#1 of 10 posted
3 DEC 21 by
HubertG
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I've only had my cutting-grown plant for a short time and it's still in a pot but I was very curious to know whether it would set hips and so have looked carefully for stigma and stamen etc in most of its flowers. Generally they weren't formed but in one flower there were several normal-looking stigma and I pollinated them using pollen at hand. It seemed to take and swell quite quickly as if a normal hip would develop, but unfortunately recent wet weather caused it to start browning and it rotted off. In my limited experience, my speculation is that hips won't set naturally very often but it's quite possible that careful artificial fertilisation might produce some hips. I'd be curious to know others' experience too.
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I don’t think I have ever seen a hip, but can’t guarantee that. I like to deadhead this plant and will tie a bit of ribbon to it to alert me to watch for anything.
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Thank you.
Mme de Watteville also has a descendant listed, as pollen parent.
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5 AUG by
HubertG
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I noticed that my winter flowers this year had relatively normal looking stigma and there seems to be a hip developing on one at the moment, I'd say about two months old and it's rather oval-shaped.
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For the next edition of the Mystery Roses booklet (which will only be on-line), I'm asking those who grow any of them to let me know if they're seed-fertile. I don't know whether a hip set in winter will ever ripen. Anyway, if the hip looks like it will persist, I'd love a photo of it, please.
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8 AUG by
HubertG
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Margaret, here's the hip on my plant. It isn't large; just 13mm across and about 20mm long. I suspect that there is a seed or two in there otherwise it would not have remained on the plant, which is still a young cutting-grown plant in a pot. If it ripens or falls off I'll let you know what it contains. Please feel free to use the photo, Margaret, if you think it's worthwhile.
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Thank you! I'll be interested to see if anything comes of it.
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You are a hip-whisperer HubertG! I have checked thousands of spent blooms on our plant over the years and have yet to find anything that didn't dry up and drop off. Yours look promising.
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12 AUG by
jedmar
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Reassigned your two hip photos to "Kombacy Marianne"
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12 AUG by
HubertG
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Thank you billy teabag and jedmar. Nothing may come of the hip but the fact that it has stayed on for this long is encouraging. I noticed yesterday on my plant five new shoots growing from the abscission layer from where an old flower stem fell off. I did think it was interesting enough to post a photo of it, so I'll try to do that tomorrow.
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