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Initial post 8 days ago by Jay-Jay
Alas, this rose is no more due to poor green-management of the city and the people that do the job.
It was whacked in full bloom, just like its companions (2X Berberis verruculosa and a thornless Multiflora seedling the latter blooming too as in: ).
Reply #1 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
How destructive, what a waste, very sad! Ignorant.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Jay-Jay
Thanks Andrew, for the "Heads-Up".
And it was very obviously our plot:
Reply #3 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Patricia Routley
You have photograhed that rose many times over the years and must have loved it well. What I don't understand is that it was in full bloom. My sympathies Jay-Jay.
It is difficult with ever-changing council people. You can tell one bloke, but then new dimwit employees come along and start whacking. Years ago Pat Toolan in South Australia had the same experience with a whole row of old roses on a roadside and many of them could not be saved. She started jumping up and down to the council and made such an impact that these days she oversees a garden for old roses on Council land which she helped to make (see The Barossa Old Rose Repository). As well, she managed to get the Council to help rescue an old 'Lady Hillingdon' and replant it almost outside the Council's front door. That does take a special sort of person, but education seems to be the key. Perhaps asking them to let you know of any old rose (you would have to keep at it) so that you may rescue it beforehand, might instill an awareness in council employees that roses are special.
Reply #4 of 10 posted 8 days ago by Jay-Jay
Hi Patricia,
Thank You too. I'll take a look at the garden, You mention. But alas this city doesn't cherish its roses: Ground covering rose-beds in full bloom are flail-mown and a bed of Topaz Jewel, that I photographed in the past has disappeared completely, like more rose-beds did in exchange for short-mown grass....
And they are not at all interested in (or open minded for) criticism or free advise.

It was a nitwit as for knowledge of plants and a bit disabled as for intelligence, that performed the "PRUNING" as he mentioned it... and HE apologized for that and explained his motivation for his deed. It was the second time, that that person whacked things on our plot to almost ground-level. That time it was the complete Berberis verruculosa hedge.
But the one, who should have attended and guided him, did not quite understand the fuzz that I made and my sorrow. He only was interested in meters, that ought to be cleared from "green mess".
They will ask the insurance to compensate... But under a big oak, it will take years, before it will look like something again... That was the second damage this year in our garden, caused by the city.

But there are worse things to experience... And this might create new opportunities.
PS: The Westerlands' offspring is thriving and this year even very double-ones are starting to bloom.
And yes, soon I'll rustle (part of) a yellow Spinosissima seedling. (10x8m)
Reply #5 of 10 posted 7 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
BTW Jay-Jay, I am getting untold pleasure from 'Erinnerung an Brod' which is largely down to your enthusiasm that I bought this rose. The best 50 euros I ever spent, Thank you.
Reply #6 of 10 posted 7 days ago by Jay-Jay
€ 50!!! Wow what a price... but rewarding, I read. This year it was just a short period of bloom, because of the high temps and dry weather.
Reply #7 of 10 posted 7 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Yes, €50, indeed, wow. I had to buy it from Germany and do a money transfer at my bank. I have to say my experience of it being over quickly differs from yours. The first flowers started opening about two weeks ago and there is still two thirds left to flower. The first few flowers were proliferated and I was worried they would all be, 'Variegata di Bologna' was the same and 'Russelliana' was very bad as well. It has been very hot and dry here. We have not had any proper rain for almost a month and temperatures as high as 25C. Some of the roses are gone in two days but 'Erinnerung an Brod' lasts almost a week. I am extremely pleased with this rose.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 7 days ago by Jay-Jay
Glad to hear so!
Reply #9 of 10 posted 6 days ago by billy teabag
My sympathies too Jay-Jay. So sad to lose these beautiful plants. It beggars belief that others are blind to the value of things.
Reply #10 of 10 posted 6 days ago by Jay-Jay
Thank You Billy!
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Initial post 10 days ago by eihblin
Colour is such a subjective thing,and the words we use to describe it can mean different things to different people. Personally I would never describe the colour of this rose as "scarlet",which I think of as being a word to describe a red that leans towards orange. This rose is of a much "cooler " tone; I'd call it more "carmine"...just my 2 cents.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 9 days ago by Patricia Routley
I skimmed through the early refs last night and the 1911 description might be more apt. What about if we change it to "crimson, shaded scarlet"?
Reply #2 of 3 posted 9 days ago by billy teabag
I wonder if the colour of the blooms of 'General MacArthur' is very sensitive to temperature. In our garden, it is only 'red' in the cooler weather - as soon as the days begin to heat up it is closer to carmine or even magenta.
No complaints! It's gorgeous in all shades, as is the fragrance.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 9 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks to you both. Colour for both bush and climber is now a mixture of old references and your observations: Crimson and scarlet. Carmine in heat.
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Initial post 26 JAN by jmile
In the description of this rose it says that it doesn't like hot weather. Our weather here in Brentwood California has many days over 100 degrees. My Pristine loves the heat. It's leaves and flowers hold up well in the heat.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 29 JAN by billy teabag
My experience matches yours jmile. 'Pristine' has been growing for many years in our garden in Perth, Western Australia, which also has very hot summers and it handles the heat extremely well.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 29 JAN by Patricia Routley
If it handles heat in California and in Perth, W.A., it should not carry that misleading growing statement. Deleted. Thanks to you both.

(you have made me really think about a foundling "Rhapsody Cottage" and one day I must look closer at adding more 'Pristine' references. In the meantime, I'll just add a photo)
Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 JUN by Hamanasu
My experience seems to confirm these observations, in a different way. For what it’s worth, here it is:
I’ve had Pristine for 3 years now in the Southeast of England (cool and mild) and it’s always the slowest of my roses to get started. After buds break, leaves develop but the tiny flowerbuds go blind before they get a chance to develop at all. It is not until high summer (when other roses have already had or are having their second flush) that Pristine manages to bloom. Which makes me think that this rose, far from objecting to heat, needs it to be able to bloom at all...
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Initial post 24 JUL by CybeRose
Gardening Illustrated 17: 573 (Jan 7, 1905)
This lovely Rose will take as prominent a place among garden Roses as G. Nabonnand, Corallina, and Lady Battersea. As its name implies, the colour is a pale sulphur-yellow, a very pure tint. The blossoms, which are produced in large, spreading corymbs, are borne erect, so that very flower is well displayed. I have seen in one truss as many as five glorious blossoms (xpanded atone time, which will explain the suitability of the variety for decoration. The main effect in a large group is white, the sulphur tint being only conspicuous on close inspection. There is a solidity about the petals which gives it great staying powers on a hot day. A most charming effect is produced by the almost purple foliage. In no Rose of my acqmaintance is this so conspicuous, even the foliage alone would give the variety much value as an ornamental shrub. As the sprays of blossom are spreading in their habit, so also are the plants. I do not mean in the same way as Princesse de Sagan. This Rose produces its growths almot horizontally, which is a defect, but in Sulphurea plenty of space is allowed between each branch, so that an elegant plant is the result. I have forced Sulphurea with excellent results, and find it far superior to the old favourite Isabella Sprunt. Market growers who have a demand for bud Roses would find this very useful, as the buds are not so large as those of Mme. Hoste.
Sulphurea was raised by Messrs. Wm. Paul and Son, of Waltham Cross, and received an award of merit from the R.H.S. in 1902. - ROSA
Reply #1 of 5 posted 25 JUL by billy teabag
Thank you - that's a very useful addition to the description of this rose.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 25 JUL by CybeRose
I like the idea of a yellow rose with purple foliage.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 29 MAY by Patricia Routley
Karl - I have added your 1905 reference.
Would you move your photo into PHOTOS please? I am a bit worried to do so myself as one or two disappeared on me once.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 29 MAY by CybeRose
I copied it over.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 29 MAY by Patricia Routley
Great. Thanks.
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