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Initial post 5 SEP 14 by billy teabag
Thornless forms of Fortuniana certainly exist - selectively propagated by some nurserymen who use this rose as a rootstock, but the majority of plants I have checked are quite prickly.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 6 days ago by bonbon
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I will check my bush out for prickles. It is quite vigorous and at present is spot flowering in March 2018..
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Initial post 10 days ago by HubertG
From 'Dingee Guide to Rose Culture' 1912:

Under "Hardy Everblooming Tea Roses"
"ALBERT STOPFORD: It is superb, like Bon Silene, a vigorous and free bloomer, producing beautiful flowers in great profusion. The color is a very dark crimson-rose."

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Reply #1 of 13 posted 10 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks HubertG. Reference added.
Reply #2 of 13 posted 10 days ago by HubertG
You're very welcome.

I was actually wondering whether this rose was Vestey's Pink Tea? I know that this rose is listed as identical to General Schablikine, but I grow both and don't see them being the same. VPT is very similar to General Schablikine, but there are enough differences in my mind to know they aren't identical.
Considering Albert Stopford is a seedling of General Schablikine by Papa Gontier, it could fit the bill for Vestey's Pink Tea.

Do you know if Albert Stopford was sold in Australia?
Reply #3 of 13 posted 10 days ago by Margaret Furness
An intriguing thought. Could you post side-by-side comparison photos showing receptacle, bud, prickles, leaves, flowers?
Reply #4 of 13 posted 10 days ago by HubertG
Sure, the only reservation I have is that my two roses grow in different conditions. My General Schablikine is in the ground and has become huge and my Vestey's Pink is in a large pot and receives a bit less sun. The main differences I discern are in the colour where VPT is consistently less coppery pink than GS and tends to be a brighter carmine more often. The winter flowers are decidedly different with GS being more cupped shaped and VPT more long and of slightly more HT form. At other times of the year the flower form on both is very similar being that shaggy almost pompom look. The fragrance is much the same. GS I think is more prickly, The flower stems on VPT are more often less 'kinky' than GS.
I'll post a few flowers etc for comparison. I don't want to go making any great claims in case they are the same after all.

The best experiment would be to take cuttings from both and give them identical culture to see if what, if any, differences can be discerned. I'll try that.
Reply #5 of 13 posted 9 days ago by Patricia Routley
Have you obtained that book yet?
Reply #6 of 13 posted 9 days ago by HubertG
I've been reading the Tea Rose book online, and plan on putting my hands on a hard copy.

Regarding the provenances I can't be sure without looking up really old cheque butts. I think I bought my General Schablikine from Golden Vale in about 1998. I bought Vestey's Pink Tea at a guess in 2005 after I read about it in Botanica but I can't remember from where. I'll check when I have time.
Here are some photos of buds at about the same stage that I picked today (13/3/18). The colour is hard to capture accurately but GS is a warmer pink and VPT is cooler. The other noticeable difference is that usually VPT displays the long 5th sepal a la Lady Hillingdon, whereas this is rare in GS. This is what made me think that Albert Stopford could be a contender for Vestey's Pink as both Lady Hillingdon and Albert Stopford have Papa Gontier as a parent. The glands on the stem of GS, VPT and Papa Gontier all smell the same too.
Reply #7 of 13 posted 9 days ago by Margaret Furness
Thank you - that's a good start. Colours of potted plants are a problem. I had three gallicas or hybrid gallicas that should have been mauve, but in Nu-earth Premium were pink last spring. I'll have to see what they look like in the ground this year.
Reply #8 of 13 posted 9 days ago by HubertG
I think the best way to compare is to take cuttings from both and grow them in identical mix, pots, fertiliser and sun.
However over the many years I've grown them, there are too many differences for me to currently think they are the same rose.
Reply #9 of 13 posted 9 days ago by Margaret Furness
It's probably still warm enough where you are to try the doggybag technique of taking cuttings now -
see I use Perlite as aerator now, since the kittylitter formula appears to have changed, and I haven't yet found another that's suitable. Or you could send me cuttings of "Vestey's Pink Tea" if you like, to try in the ground eventually (I've had General Schab in-ground for about 9 years). A couple of Tealadies visit from time to time. Check with quarantine first re sending to SA though. Sending to WA would be better but quarantine is too much of a hurdle.
Reply #10 of 13 posted 9 days ago by HubertG
Thanks, I'll give that technique a go.
Reply #11 of 13 posted 9 days ago by Patricia Routley
......Do you know if Albert Stopford was sold in Australia?

No it was not. It did get to New Zealand, but not Australia. In my garden, both "Vestey's Pink Tea" and 'General Schablikine' are the same.
Your roses may be the same, but you are pushing roses uphill trying to compare a less-sun tea in a pot with a full-sun tea in the ground. In case they are different, to find out which of your roses is the true 'General Schablikine', watch every bloom for that S-bend curve of the consistently bristly pedicel. Then go to work on the other rose keeping 'Mme. Lambard' and 'Monsieur Tillier' in the back of your mind.
Reply #12 of 13 posted 9 days ago by HubertG
I do grow the rose that was sold in Australia as "Freiherr von Marschall" (that now seems to be re-identified as Mme Lambard) and my Vestey's isn't that. I grew a Monsier Tillier from Green E's nursery and currently have a Archiduc Joseph from Mistydown's and isn't either of those either. (I don't know if those two roses were correctly identified but they were different in any case). I don't doubt my General Schablikine is the real thing either.

I think it's best to compare cuttings grown in the same conditions. My Vestey's Pink has been moved around in a pot quite a bit and has received more sun at times and it doesn't really change that much. Conversely I have a cutting of General Schablikine growing in a small pot in a shady spot and it still puts out flowers like its parent bush.

My Vestey's Pink rarely shows much kink to the stem like GS does, but that could be cultural. However, I think that long 5th sepal must be genetic, not a cultivational difference. Few tea roses have that.

If someone has incorrectly identified Vestey's Pink Tea as General Schablikine, maybe the nurseries have merged stock and Patricia is comparing two General Schablikines. (?)

I'll let this be for now and report back when I can compare cuttings. Lastly though here are the opening flowers of the two buds I compared yesterday. The biggest noticeable difference is in the colour which is consistently less coppery in Vestey's Pink.
Reply #13 of 13 posted 8 days ago by billy teabag
It was our Tea rose study group that noticed "Vestey's Pink Tea" is the same as 'General Schablikine' while we were researching the roses for the Tea rose book. This wasn't done in haste or based on the comparison of single plants.
The roses were growing side by side in the display garden of Melvilles rose Nursery near Perth in the late 1990s and this is where we first noted that they appeared to be the same.
I have a number of quotations on the pinup board behind my computer that I find useful when researching roses and anything else for that matter. One of them is Richard Buckminster Fuller's "You uncover what is when you get rid of what isn’t." and another, this humbling one by the late Trevor Griffiths "Identification is a complex subject. The worst mistake that can be made is that you should assume the name for your particular rose is the correct one and that everyone else is wrong." (from A Celebration of Old Roses p15).

There is always a lot of that about - between the six who researched and wrote the book, we probably had every misnamed Tea rose in the country growing in our gardens so we were very aware of the perils of mislabeling and the difficulties that can arise when sorting out which (and whose) roses are correctly named. To check for the possibility that Melvilles might have a misnamed rose, we ordered roses from a number of interstate nurseries and, in this case, we always received the same rose under the name "Vestey's Pink Tea". 'General Schablikine' was a different matter - apart from 'General Schablikine labelled 'General Schablikine', some nurseries were sending out 'Mons Tillier' as 'General Schablikine' and some sent 'General Gallieni' (and vice versa). We also received "[not] Souvenir d'Un Ami" with a 'General Schablikine' label.

For our book to be useful, we needed to know whether we (ie, East, Central and West Australian gardeners) were growing the same Tea roses under the same names and, if there were discrepancies, to understand what and where they were, and how they come about. So we took every opportunity to visit collections in nurseries and gardens in other states. Of course there were discrepancies - even with the utmost diligence, there are inevitably occasional errors in labeling and once they get into a distribution stream, the errors spread, sometimes quite widely. The good news was that the discrepancies were where they were expected to be, and thanks to information shared by nursery people and rose collectors, for reasons we came to understand.
Rustons Roses, at that time the main supplier of budwood to Australian rose nurseries, had stock plants of both 'General Schablikine' and "Vestey's Pink Tea" and we had the opportunity to examine them closely on a number of visits to the garden in Renmark. 'General Schablikine', like most Teas, varies in bloom form and colour with the seasons and in response to different conditions and rootstocks but at Rustons Roses, as in Melville's Nursery, the roses were undoubtedly the same. After we drew David Ruston's attention to this he watched his plants like a hawk and after a number of years he told us he was in complete agreement.
We were satisfied the roses were the same before publishing the information.
It is always good to have an analytical eye on rose identification work. Thank you for your careful observations and reasoning. I hope you are able to strike cuttings of both your roses and to eventually grow them in the same conditions and that this discussion can continue in the future. With enough time and patience, the roses do give up their answers.
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Initial post 23 FEB by Patricia Routley
Checking first with other growers. I would like to add a Note to the 'William R. Smith' page to the effect that it sets no hips. I have never noted a hip on my bushes and nearly all of my blooms end up perfect for dried flower arrangements [!] I have added the Tea Roses. Old Roses For Warm Gardens reference which notes "no hip seen".
Reply #1 of 5 posted 24 FEB by Margaret Furness
No hips as such on mine at present. I'll keep watching the current batch of spent blooms.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 26 FEB by billy teabag
I'll do the same.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 days ago by HubertG
There is only one descendant of William R Smith listed here (and that was where WRS was used as the pollen parent). I haven't grown this rose, so I don't know if it produces hips or not from experience, but one would assume that if such an esteemed and beautiful rose were fertile, it would have been pounced on by the breeders at the time to be used to produce offspring. It was most probably infertile but I'm only speculating.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 days ago by Patricia Routley
And I'll betcha two bob to a pinch of salt that the long-gone descendant, 'Mrs. R. M. King' (Mme. Abel Chatenay x William R Smith) was, in fact, a self pollinated 'Mme. Abel Chatenay'. The only real reference, 1931, says "too much like Abel Chatenay". We will never know, of course, but it gives credence to your speculation that William R. Smith is sterile
Reply #5 of 5 posted 12 days ago by HubertG
Patricia, I was thinking exactly the same thing when I posted that above.
I imagine W R Smith takes after its mother Maman Cochet in the fertility department.

Incidentally, I have a hip on my White Maman Cochet and I have never seen this before. I left it to develop but it has partially split so I'm expecting it to rot, but you can see developing seeds inside.
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Initial post 25 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
I'm just ordering a few last minute roses before the suppliers stop sending them. Would 'Gruss an Teplitz' cope with growing in a climate with cool damp summers? There's not enough room for it to grow in a pot up against the house, where it's warmer, so it will have to take its chances in the rest of the garden.
Reply #1 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Michael Garhart
It barely has any tea in it. It's mostly hybrid French OGR's and China. So, it should be theoretically fine as Mutabilis, for example. I imagine the plant shape would suffer though, especially since its plant shape isn't that great to begin with.
Reply #2 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Thanks Michael,
I thought I was being rather ambitious! China roses would struggle out in the open garden so I'll choose something much hardier instead.
Reply #3 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Michael Garhart
I think the mature shape would look rather depressing in an already low light climate. Yeah, it could do well, but I don't think it would make you happy.
Reply #4 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
I was seduced by edulkot's lovely picture,
I'll rein-in my desires, my second choice was 'Violacea', gallica roses grow very well with me.
Reply #5 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Michael Garhart
I imagine so. I recently tried to get Eblouissant, which is like a dwarf poly version of GA Templitz (sorta), but no one has it available to my state anymore. You should look for that one, too!

Question: Can people from the UK order from mainland Europe w/ ease? There are so many countries and so many varieties there. Or is it a hassle?
Reply #6 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
I have ordered roses from Europe before but the roses ended-up being rather expensive (inexplicably 'Gloire des Rosomanes' and 'Erinnerung an Brod' aren't grown by British nurseries). Most plant material can be exchanged round Europe without problems or certificates. But if we ever eventually Brexit then I don't know what the situation will be; no one does.
Reply #7 of 37 posted 26 FEB by billy teabag
Have you seen Darlington's 1912 thoughts? 100 plants along a carriage drive?
"from BEDDING ROSES by H.R. Darlington

GRUSS AN TEPLITZ, H.T. (Geschwind, 1897)
This Rose has good and attractive foliage and a strong semi-climbing habit, growing readily into a good symmetrical, rather upright bush. It is not my ideal of a good habit for a bedding Rose. The flowers, which are produced in loose clusters, are semi-double and not well shaped, but very brilliant in the garden. The colour is normally a bright crimson, occasionally tending towards maroon. They are not well carried, and much inclined to hang their heads. They are produced in considerable quantity and very continuously, the autumn crop being specially good. The flowers are fragrant and the plants have a magnificent constitution. They are scarcely at all affected by mildew but if there is any black spot about they generally get it.
This is another Rose which I should not think of using for bedding myself, and I notice that several of my friends think it too tall for that purpose. Many, however, call it a good bedding Rose, and those who do, generally recommend that it be pegged down. Mr Page-Roberts and Mr Easlea, however, advise occasional lifting to check its growth, and the latter suggests growing it in poor soil. I have no personal experience of this Rose as a bedder, but think it should be used in a large bed to produce an effect at a distance, and that the Rose will be found at its best when grown as a large bush or as a standard. I fancy that to get the best results it should not be pruned hard, but treated rather like a Noisette Rose, encouraging young growth, keeping this rather long and cutting out as much old wood as can be spared. I have tried the starvation method, but in this garden it has not proved a success. I have seen this Rose in Lancashire, not many miles from the sea, growing as comparatively low bushes and flowering well, so possibly in the north it may be more worth trying as a bedder than in the south.
For those who wish a bed of Roses something after this colour I should myself be more inclined to recommend either Petrus Donzel, very like a dwarfer Gruss an Teplitz, or better still, Charlotte Klemm. They are both China Roses, and I should not be surprised to hear that Gruss an Teplitz had China blood in it. I have never heard of its parentage. The strong points of Gruss an Teplitz are its brilliant colour and strong constitution, perhaps also its attractive foliage. Its weakness as a bedder lies in its strong growth, dislike of close pruning, and the want of form in the flowers. The position in which Gruss an Teplitz would be most likely to prove a satisfactory bedder would be in a large bed, to hold say 100 plants, along a carriage drive, outside the garden properly so called; and I call to mind a brilliant bed of something this size which I have occasionally seen in a nursery garden when travelling by train, and have put down in my own mind as a bed of Gruss an Teplitz, but I have no personal experience of beds of this size in the garden. "
Reply #8 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Margaret Furness
Reply #9 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Marlorena
'Gruss an Teplitz' is just a fabulous rose for me here in England, I'm in East Anglia area, and I absolutely love it. The Spring foliage is luxuriant and clean until about August time, when it gets a bit of blackspot but nothing that I would regard as troublesome. I never spray, it doesn't need it... continuous bloom from mid May to whenever... maybe I'll post a photo here..
It also grows in the worst soil I have here, builders rubble, sand, dry, fit only for lavenders and cistus, but some roses will grow in anything, and this one does too.. I think I have soil somewhere down there...

You asked about ordering from Europe. I recently ordered from Fabien Ducher and it was very easy, in English, very user friendly, and extremely quick, and no more expensive than ordering locally. The bare root roses I ordered arrived by courier after just 5 days from ordering. Some nurseries are cumbersome though it has to be said. I've only used 3 of them and this was the easiest..

Sorry, I should have said this reply is to Michael Garhart's questions..
Reply #10 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for the information billy teabag and Marlorena, now I can't decide what to do! East Anglia gets more sun and much less rain than Devon. I can grow 'Reine des Violettes' tolerably well, I know that's a different class to 'G an T', I might try 'Gruss an Tepliz' in a pot up against the house, multiflora 'Watsoniana' can try its luck in the garden, it's such an ugly rose I don't need to see it every day, 'G an T' can take its place.

Marlorna, hope you're keeping warm, it's already -5 five here at almost 7pm.
Reply #11 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
Try Roseraie du Désert in France too for inspiration:
Becky and John Hook communicate in English!
They sell quite a lot of wonderful roses (own root). And G. an T. too!!
Reply #12 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
How are your roses Jay-Jay? Are you getting this horrid freezing dry east wind? "A wind from the east blows no good to man nor beast" and it always brings with it a black frost.
Reply #15 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
I was already answering Your mail, but the reply disappeared.
Over here it's nasty cold, windy, freeze-drying and very sunny during the day. And no snow, that could act as an insulating blanket!
-10°C is predicted as night temp the oncoming days. I'm glad, that I prepared the fruittrees for this scenario.
There is some ice, but not enough or safe to skate on.
I covered the base of these roses with green conifer branches to prevent them from dying: Étoile de Portugal, Crépuscule and Lamarque.
Lots of roses were already sprouting.
Reply #13 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Marlorena
Yes Andrew, it's quite nippy here too, and some snow around. I think it might be white in the morning.

Hope you get your rose, but I've no idea about the Devon valley climate. Yes it would be drier where I am I should think.. You have some unusual roses, I've never heard of the other one...
Reply #14 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Jay-Jay just sent a link to a French nursery, that has a whole range of types and varieties that are different to what we can buy in the U.K. and they are grown on their own roots. Now I'm more confused than ever!
In 2015 I had a ground frost in July!
Reply #16 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
Why are You confused? Or are You getting greedy, after seeing all those "foreign" beautées... or beau Thé's?
Reply #18 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
It has lots of beauties I can only dream of growing 'Rosette Delizy, 'Fortune's Five Coloured'...
Reply #19 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
Then just stick to G. an T. ... and add some suitable beauties to justify the p&p costs
Reply #17 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Marlorena
Yes I've had roses from them, nice own roots but they often take a long time to get established, and I prefer grafted. I grew some in pots for the first season, others went straight into the ground, but yes they do have a big choice, but one has to be careful because not all are suitable for rainy or cooler climates... I have at least 3 roses in the ground here that I got from them, and they're all doing really well now, but one has to be patient with own roots I have found... go for it Andrew, you know you want to..
Reply #20 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Ah, that's interesting I always was puzzled why in America they have so many nurseries selling ungrafted roses but in the U.K. there are, to my knowledge, none.
Reply #23 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Michael Garhart
Almost all of my roses are own-root, save for a select few.

You know us Americans. We're mouthy, like a lot of options, and fight over what is best constantly :]
Reply #21 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
The time to get established depends on the rose itsself.
I had problems with some own-root directly planted in the garden, but especially Étoile de Portugal, Lamarque and Rosa banksiae normalis took off in prosperity, whilst f.i. R. banksiae lutea struggled and didn't survive.
Reply #22 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Modern rose planting dictates that the rose should be planted below the graft union, so all roses become own root eventually.
Reply #24 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
You mean, that the union has to be buried?
How You describe it, it sounds to me like, that the union is above the soil.
But I might be wrong, for English isn't my mothers-tongue.
PS: That deeper planting didn't work for me. The budgrafted roses thrived best, when the union was about 5-8 cm below the surface. No deeper, for than the roses died or got smaller and smaller.
Reply #26 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Your English is correct, we are told to plant them deeply so eventually the scion grows its own roots. When I was a student in the mid 1980's it was different we were taught to plant them with the graft union well above the soil.
Reply #28 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
I saw the result of the latter in combination with "gently" flailmowing Topaz Jewel.(the ones I posted photo's of in the past
The Topaz Jewel disappeared and what was left, was the rootstock. Those where culled and...
Now they planted Purple Pavement.
Yuk.(compared to Topaz Jewel)
Reply #25 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Margaret Furness
No no no - I'd only plant the bud union in the soil (or mulch) for roses that don't sucker on their own roots. So "modern roses", OK. But never Old Europeans, rugosas, spins, most species roses, which can be altogether too invasive. Some Damask Perpetuals and HPs too. Everything else I prefer on their own roots - more resilient against drought, fire, mowers. I know some HTs aren't robust enough to manage without an understock, but I grow hardly any moderns anyway.
I gather one reason for the move to own-root roses in some countries is the cost of compensation payouts to budders with back injuries.
Another for your list of English-language oddities Jay-Jay - G an' T could mean Gin and Tonic.
Reply #27 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
You know Aussies: always do it their own way! ;-)
Reply #29 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
I think suckering may be worse in warmer climates. Spinossisimas do sucker quite a lot but others like gallicas sucker mildly as does virginiana, 'Highdownensis', and cinnamomea 'Plena' but these are always welcome to sell for charity.
'Alba Maxima' suckers gently too.
Reply #30 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Margaret Furness
Yes I suppose the climate is relevant - without a harsh winter to slow them down. I don't give away suckerers on their own roots to the unwary, lest it put them off old roses.
Charles de Mills, for example, is feral in some old cemeteries here. See photo 74538. Some of us saw it naturalised on a road verge on the way to Akaroa, NZ, too.
Reply #31 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Jay-Jay
Can You post the link to that photo?
Found it?
Reply #32 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Wow! I've only ever seen 'Rosa Mundi' even remotely sucker like this, the stock plant I get suckers from to sell is about 1.5 metres sq. and that is a very old plant. Usually gallicas just make a clump of stems with one or two straying further away. I don't grow 'Charles de Mills' myself but I've grown it in two other gardens in the past but it never grew like the rose in the picture.

I wonder if they sucker more in dry climates because they send out underground shoots searching for moisture?
Reply #33 of 37 posted 26 FEB by Margaret Furness
Maybe so. Even where it doesn't get enough winter chill to flower, Ch de M will sucker.
There was nice patch of R gallica officinalis on a road verge too, but council workers don't differentiate between roses and blackberry, so we've lost many roadside roses.
Reply #34 of 37 posted 28 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Of course the roses that do sucker badly are some of the rugosas. One of the few plants inherited from my previous house owners was a rugosa looking similar to 'Rubra'. It suckers like mad especially when you've dug it out and every tiny piece of root seems to sprout. It has very scented purple single flowers, (like a very feral 'Roseraie de l'Haÿ'), and sets masses of big red hips with that lovely rugosa habit of flowers and hips together. It is only allowed to grow in the wildest parts of my garden where left undisturbed it just suckers a bit. In my ex-neighbour's garden used to grow a horrid looking 'Hollandica' type rose that had once been the rootstock of a standard rose. Miserable small pale flowers it set loads of hips but even these were rather inferior to most rugosas. It suckered everywhere and really was a perfect pest, fortunately the new neighbour got landscapers in and the raised the whole garden to the ground totally eliminating any traces of it.
There is a small suckering thicket of Rosa rugosa I have seen on the beach at Worthing, (south-east U.K.), it grows in pure shingle and sand 30m or so from the sea.
Reply #35 of 37 posted 28 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Margaret, how have these gallica roses got there? 'Officinalis' could have grown from seed but 'C de M' couldn't have. Were there dwellings there once upon a time or do Australians, like the British, have a habit of fly tipping their garden waste a long the road?
Reply #36 of 37 posted 28 FEB by Margaret Furness
I think they must have been planted intentionally long ago, either spreading from a garden, or in an attempt to beautify the road verge. Or maybe a road was pushed through where a garden used to be. We have quite a few roadside ramblers in the Adelaide Hills; more resistant to herbicides. I think if it was dumping of rubbish, we'd have a lot more roadside geraniums, which do strike that easily in this climate.
Yes dumping of rubbish happens, but now it's mainly related to things that are illegal or expensive to take to council rubbish tips.
Reply #37 of 37 posted 14 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
I decided 'Gruss an Teplitz' was too risky and have just ordered 'Zigeunerknabe', 'Gentiliana' and 'Gardenia' instead.
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