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billy teabag
most recent 10 NOV HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 8 NOV by billy teabag
I have a rose that arrived with the name 'Radiance' that's definitely not 'Radiance'. Trying to discover its correct identity, I've noticed a change in the description of 'Radiance' over time.
The early descriptions tell us that the backs of the petals are darker than the petal faces and this can be confirmed in the earliest photographs.
However, by 1958, Modern Roses V has this reversed: ("rose-pink, reverse lighter"), and this description has carried forward to at least Modern Roses 10. I don't have a copy of the most recent Modern Roses and haven't been able to check whether this has been amended.
Wondering how widespread the confusion is and how many are growing or selling 'Radiance' impostors.
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 8 NOV by Margaret Furness
The photos on hmf look like they have the darker pink outside (apart from one that I'm not sure is correct). The one in the HRIAI Collection is from an old plant of David Ruston's, budded by John N, who presumably also supplied the plant at Maddingley.
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 8 NOV by Patricia Routley
It hasn't been amended. Still ("rose-pink, reverse lighter")
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 9 NOV by billy teabag
Thanks Patricia
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 9 NOV by billy teabag
Thanks Margaret.
Do you know the provenance of Red Radiance at the respository?

My rose is flattish-globular warm deep pink with lighter petal reverses and about double the usual Radiance petal number.
The budwood was said to be from Rustons some years ago - not the respository.
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 9 NOV by Margaret Furness
Yep - Red Radiance came from 'Kombacy' via Thomas for Roses.
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 9 NOV by billy teabag
Thanks Margaret. A long shot - Would you happen to know whether the Red Radiance budwood for the Stirling Square project would have come from the repository plant or another 'Red Radiance' from the Ruston collection?
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 9 NOV by Margaret Furness
I have the Kombacy Red Radiance here - do you want photos of it?
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 9 NOV by billy teabag
Always good to see more photos, but this will be the same as the one in the repository and that doesn't look like our ring in.
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 9 NOV by Margaret Furness
I think on my plant the outside of the Red Radiance petals is minimally darker than the inside, but is quickly bleached by hot sunshine.
A while back I posted a photo of the unstable Careless Love in the channel row at Renmark, but I don't think it helps much.
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 9 NOV by Margaret Furness
Pat tells me that David's plant list doesn't include Red Radiance (which must be why Thomases asked me for budwood from Kombacy when they lost their stock plant). Can't tell you where the budwood sent to WA came from.
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 10 NOV by Ozoldroser
Weren't there a few Radiances at a property near Hay at that conference?
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most recent 10 NOV HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 NOV by billy teabag
Could someone who knows 'Columbia' very well give me some guidance on how to recognise this rose.
The descriptions suggest a bright pink rose with blooms that darken in colour as they age, but none of the photos here show a particularly strong coloured bloom. Do any of the photos show a good likeness of the colour?
There are references to 'almost thornless stems'. Is the whole plant almost thornless, or just the flowering stems?
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 10 NOV by Patricia Routley
If it helps, there used to be a 'Columbia' at the Pinjarra Heritage Rose Garden, bed 8, site 19.
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Initial post 6 NOV by billy teabag
Could I ask those who grow 'President Herbert Hoover' to check the stamen colour and leaf shape please?

Are the filaments yellow, reddish, or can they graduate from red to yellow?

Are the leaflets elongated or roundish and how prominent are the serrations and veins?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 7 NOV by Patricia Routley
Maybe tomorrow. I have added a bud and leaf photo in the meantime.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 8 NOV by billy teabag
Thanks Patricia.
Perth Region of HRIA visited a farm garden near Brookton on the weekend and there were some old HTs / Pernetianas in the garden of the original farm house that was built in the 1920s.
'Picture' was one of the roses and possibly 'McGredy's Yellow'. The others had young buds (shades of orange) and spent blooms (faded cream or buff/ apricot with carmine veining) so we could only guess at what the partly open and fresh blooms looked like.
I wondered whether one of them might be 'President Herbert Hoover' but will need to do more work.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 9 NOV by Patricia Routley
This morning's open bloom shows a graduation from red to yellow.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 9 NOV by billy teabag
Thank you!
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most recent 22 OCT HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 OCT by Margaret Furness
This rose was found in the garden of a derelict cottage, which also had Aglaia, Lady Hillingdon, Dorothy Perkins, Ophelia, William Lobb, John Hopper and an invasive suckering gallica - not flowering at the time, but Charles de Mills is a common survivor in the Adelaide Hills. The China was growing about 2m up through a Japonica.
It was in a district which was hit hard by the Ash Wednesday bushfires of 1983; I don't know whether the garden was burnt. It is in a 30" / 750mm rainfall area, subject to El Nino droughts.
The garden and cottage have been replaced in recent years.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 22 OCT by billy teabag
I love this rose Margaret - so grateful to have it in our garden. Thank you for finding and collecting and sharing it.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 22 OCT by Margaret Furness
I gave it to Helga as ?Cl Slater's Crimson, but whether it's Slater's and whether it's climbing are debatable.
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