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kai-eric
most recent 17 OCT SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 29 JUN by scvirginia
Photos of this plant were moved from 'Madame Carnot' to 'Carnot', a purple-pink Tea, but they look like the HT 'Madame Cunisset-Carnot', and I think they should be moved there.

Virginia
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 17 OCT by Gartenjockels kleine gaerten
definitely NOT mme carnot (tea) indeed.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 17 OCT by Patricia Routley
So Gartenjockels kleine gaerten, do you have a problem in moving your photos? Would you like us to do it for you?
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most recent 11 JUL SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 30 JUN by kai-eric
do you remember the provenance of your plant?
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 1 JUL by Hantho
Yes, I can give the provenance. We ordered our Madame Bérard way back from roses-guillot.com in France.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 6 JUL by kai-eric
thank you very much. i received obviously this rose from guillot when i ordered 'mme jules gravereaux'. at least it resembles a lot to what john hook of frenchtearoses shows in the next picture. to my opinion, this item doesn't match what is described as 'mme bérard' in early literature: light green foliage instead of dark one for example.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 7 JUL by Patricia Routley
I have added the foliage colour to the main page. OK?
L'Hay clone: Provenance L'Hay-1; Guillot-2; Hook-3. (light green foliage)
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 7 JUL by kai-eric
thank you very much patricia.
would like toq mention that pedicels of my plant 'ex guillot' are all over smooth and branches are bearing prickles on new growth.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 11 JUL by kai-eric
caused by the mix up of guillot i'm unsure of what they gave me instead of mme jules gravereay. it should be one of the items in their catalogue - bouquet d'or, rêve d'or or mme bérard. could you please check the pictures of my entry above to help me out.
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most recent 30 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 JUN by kai-eric
did you compare to rêve d'or?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 29 JUN by John Hook
This rose has virtually no prickles with different foliage to RDO. It is a small pillar climber and is probably correct, originating from a named rose at L'Hay The 'Mme Berard' currently in commerce is the rose Beales was selling as 'Adam' which had been re-identified. In France Andre Eve was selling this rose as 'Mme Berard'. Guillot had been in possession of the L'Hay clone for many years. This clone no longer exists at L'Hay
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 30 JUN by Patricia Routley
Have I got this straight please John?
Beales clone: Provenance Rougetel-1; Beales-2; Andre Eve-3.
L'Hay clone: Provenance L'Hay-1; Guillot-2; Hook-3.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 30 JUN by John Hook
This is correct Pat
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 30 JUN by Patricia Routley
Thanks. I've temporarily added a Note to the main page. Comments in photos are hard to find later when searching.
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most recent 30 MAY SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 4 JUN 15 by AquaEyes
I happened upon this found Tea via the facebook page for "Roses Anciennes -- Vintage Roses", which seems to bear some resemblance to another found rose here in the US. Please compare to "Thomasville Old Told". Thoughts?

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.6257.0

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 4 AUG 15 by kai-eric
so many varieties can look similar. unfortunally, we are lacking better pictures and detailled descriptions of this one.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 4 AUG 15 by AquaEyes
On an antique roses forum, this thread was posted about an unidentified rose in Spain. The found rose "Isabella Ducrot" was also mentioned as a possibility. It would be very interesting to compare the various "sunset-colored" Teas like these, and 'Clementina Carbonieri', and 'Isabella Nabonnand', etc. I'd wager that there's a duplicate somewhere among them.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1605176/identify-this?n=46

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 27 MAY by AmiRoses
I have both "Isabella Ducrot" and "Plaisance Pink", they are different. "Isabella Ducrot" is much more changing.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 28 MAY by Patricia Routley
Thanks AmiRoses. I have added your notes to the main pages for the roses.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 27 MAY by AmiRoses
"Thomasville Old Gold" flower is much bigger
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 29 MAY by HubertG
Does 'Luciole' from 1886 sound like it could be a possibility? 'Luciole' was described as having a strong fragrance. Does "Plaisance Pink" have a good fragrance?
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 30 MAY by HubertG
This is also an interesting reference to 'Luciole' - "flower stem roughened like a moss-rose; "- from the 1888 Hill & co catalogue, considering that the photo (ID 317246) of "Plaisance Pink" shows a rather hispid stem.
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