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kai-eric 
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as to 'harry kirk' i can help out with some impressions of the plant labelled 'harry kirk' at sangerhausen, in addition to my entries resp.'harry kirk' database
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Thank you.
The clues to "Fake Perle" extend to “Wood Street Buff-Yellow”, found in Balingup, WA. " Very similar to “Fake Perle” except that the colour is buff-yellow to apricot, and the new growth is even darker."
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#2 of 3 posted
27 AUG 21 by
kai-eric
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a possibility might be 'medea' ,a canary yellow variety of 1892 which was said having more spreading habit.
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#3 of 3 posted
27 AUG 21 by
HubertG
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I've given serious consideration to "Fake Perle" possibly being 'Medea' before. 'Medea' was a rose that seemed to do well in Australia and regularly appeared in the recommended roses list in the papers.
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Wow, seems to be dead ringer. Wouldn't it be nice to know we have this one back?
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Good sleuthing, Patricia!
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Was a guess - a hint only for John to consider 'Ophirie'.
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I did consider this early on but I ended up rejecting the idea as too many characteristics were different. I have another foundling from the Ariege that does match the descriptions but is virtually free of prickles so I'm not sure
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#5 of 8 posted
3 APR 19 by
AmiRoses
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And what about Nisida or Mondor ?
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....or ‘Louis Leveque’?
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#7 of 8 posted
6 JUN 21 by
kai-eric
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...looks alike rosette delizy - bristly pedicels, same foliage, same few prickles. i have them some 5 meters apart. never wondered about similarities but right now they are blooming simultaneously and it is so obvious that they are the one and only thing!
after having compared madiran climber and 'souvenir d'un ami'/loubert(france) which is thought to be rosette delizy, i'm pretty convinced that both are the same variety.
the first set of pictures is showing madiran climber.
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#8 of 8 posted
6 AUG 21 by
kai-eric
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the second one gives an impression of 'souvenir d'un ami' ex loubert(france). the blossom in the pictures carried 6 sepals but blossoms with 5 sepals are the rule.
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#9 of 8 posted
7 AUG 21 by
kai-eric
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the two of them side by side
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Looks like this a bit like the "Madiran Climber"
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#1 of 3 posted
20 APR 20 by
kai-eric
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absolutely not. madiran's flowers have the form of cupshaped tulips with hardly reflexing petals. i admit that this blossom is slightly misformed and not at all typical of the variety.
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#2 of 3 posted
21 APR 20 by
Jay-Jay
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I had this photo (You made Yourselves) in mind: https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.269559
Are both Tea's recommendable?
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#3 of 3 posted
5 OCT 20 by
kai-eric
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