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most recent 31 JUL 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 4 JUN 13 by Gartenjockels kleine gaerten
did anyone compare ever charleston graveyard with the china/bengale louis-philippe? i see some similarities in growth and fragrance.
15-aug-2013: extremely vigorous and floriferous.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 30 JUL 16 by Susu's garden
Yes. Pat Henry at Roses Unlimited confirmed to me in 2014 that she now believes it is Louis Phillipe.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 31 JUL 16 by Patricia Routley
I was hoping another Administrator might take some action on this one......however.
Would you like me to merge "Charleston Graveyard" with 'Louis-Philippe' (china, Guérin, 1834), or at the very least, put a notation on the "Charleston Graveyard" page as to what it is thought to be?
Reply #3 of 3 posted 31 JUL 16 by Susu's garden
Absolutely. Thank you very much. Susan
most recent 13 JUL 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 23 JUL 14 by Gartenjockels kleine gaerten
'mme jules gravereaux' and 'comtesse de noghera' at sangerhausen are identical!
Reply #1 of 1 posted 13 JUL 16 by John Hook
I agree, this rose in commerce is incorrect. Apart from appearing identical they are both very difficult to take from cuttings and the own-root plants are very weak
most recent 25 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 22 SEP 15 by John Hook
Tea roses in Australia to 1975. Anlaby 1900 -1922. pink with fawn (Gloire de Bordeaux)
Reply #1 of 1 posted 25 SEP 15 by kai-eric
good news!
most recent 30 JUL 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 29 JUL 15 by kai-eric
beautiful but almost not 'fürst bismarck' which is said to be golden yellow.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 30 JUL 15 by Charles Quest-Ritson
I suspect that all the plants of this cultivar now in existence trace back to the plants at Europa-Rosarium, Sangerhausen. The colouring of the individual flowers is very variable, but I have no reason to doubt that both pictures uploaded to HMF are correctly named. We tend to describe colours rather loosely, and the roses that are marked as 'golden yellow' are often rather more yellow than golden. The colour of 'Fürst Bismarck' is very similar to that of 'Gloire de Dijon', and just as variable. Incidentally, I believe that 'Fürst Bismarck' is a selfed seedling of 'Gloire de Dijon' (there is a record of it being crossed with 'Comtesse d'Oxford') and not, as some German authorities (e.g. Jäger) maintain, either a sport of 'Gloire de Dijon' or a synonym for 'Belle Lyonnaise'.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 30 JUL 15 by Gartenjockels kleine gaerten
thank you much for your gentle estimation!
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