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25 FEB 04 by
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All of the Pat Austin roses that I have seen, the flower heads droop. Is that typical?
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Yes most of the Pat Austins have a tendency to bend over with the weight of the flowers.
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#2 of 7 posted
25 FEB 04 by
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I don't know if it's typical, but mine droop, too. The stem close to the flower is rather small to give the larger sized blooms support. However, they look very nice in a vase and the colr os unique.
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#3 of 7 posted
25 FEB 04 by
Unregistered Guest
Pat Austin blooms droop when the plant is still young. Everything I've read about this rose says that as the bush matures, the blooms will be more upright. Mine is entering its third year in my garden and is getting stronger and stronger.
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Almost all large flowered English David Austin Roses have this "drooping" quality to the bush. After 5 years you will see a noticeable improvement, particularly to Pay Austin as she becomes more upright in nature and stonger in vigour.
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#5 of 7 posted
30 SEP 04 by
Anonymous-797
I think part of the explanation is the tea-noisette genetic inheritance particularly throughthe parent Graham Thomas. Many of the English Roses get pretty big especially in the southern U.S., so if you can place the rose near a wall or vertical surface the flowers will nod down at you. I like this. Jacquemon
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Pat Austin plays around in water puddles in my climate. It is more than just droopy. Jude The obscure and Golden Celebration are upright with some droop in this PNW climate. Pat Austin, on the other hand... c r a w l s ...all over the ground.
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Does anyone know what or who this rose was named for? What's an O'Rilla?
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#1 of 9 posted
26 NOV 07 by
jedmar
google for G. O'Rilla pictures.
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Is that a joke, Jedmar?!? ;-)
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It would actually be possible to ask the breeders John and Robin Sheldon by email, via the website, by the looks of it, if you click on their name when you are on the O'rilla page. Otherwise Rilla, Orilla are old girl's names, apparently, coming from amarilla, of the same origin as amaryllis, coming in turn from Greek meaning 'to sparkle'. O' is also 'of', or 'son or daughter of', of course. The rose was registered as Resilla ... or Rilla ...which might have lead naturally to O'rilla. In Spanish, Orilla, is a beach ... At any rate, good question!!
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#4 of 9 posted
27 NOV 07 by
jedmar
I think you have excellent explanations, only, I am afraid, the truth is more prosaic. We will only know when we ask the breeders.
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Yes, sure, that's the best way to find out the truth! Sorry if the bit about Spanish looked a bit poetic. However, about it coming from someone's name, I feel that's quite likely. There are lots of names with O'something. The question 'what's AN O'rilla?' I found a bit surprising ... as I did your gorilla. But we'll see ...
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Hi, Sorry for the confusion, O'Rilla was named after my mother. My Initials for registering roses is RES, which comes from the initials of the first born in our family. My older Brother and father were both Raymond E Sheldon, My daughter is Robyn E Sheldon, My Brothers daughter was Renee E Sheldon and so forth hince RES. RESilla was easier to say than RESO'Rilla so I shorthened it for registration. I hope that answers your question. Sorry it wasn't more interesting than that. Perhaps my grandfather named my mother O'Rilla for one of the reasons you suggested, I have no idea. Sounds more romantic though. Personally I think it's s very pretty sounding name.
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Ah, that's nice to find out the truth! So O'Rilla was your mother's first name, if I understand rightly? Yes, I agree, it's a very nice name for a rose.
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#8 of 9 posted
28 NOV 07 by
jedmar
Indeed, very musical!
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O in Irish names means descendant, most commonly grandson.
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Would Stanwell Perpetual be better in the sun (maximum summer air temperature about 28°C) or in the shade? Thanks!!
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#2 of 4 posted
19 JAN 09 by
Karen
I have grown this rose in a part-sun garden in Lincoln, NE (a hot humid climate that is zone 5/6). There are fifty year old trees throughout my 2/3 acre garden. It is a stretch to say that any of my roses get the required 6 - 8 hours of sunlight. The plant was disease-free and was almost always in bloom. The blooms were gorgeous. It was not a cutting rose so I am not growing it currently. I am keeping it on my list for future use as a landscape rose when space becomes available. I envision it planted on 18" centers in a circular bed all of its own. It would spill over the sides and look like a giant flower pot. Karen
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Thank you, Patricia and Karen, for your prompt replies. Sounds like a great rosebush!
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#4 of 4 posted
22 SEP 19 by
ac91z6
I know this is an old comment, but I have a very similar situation and was debating whether or not to try this rose. I'm in northern Missouri, so your experience is really helpful! I think I will be giving 'Stanwell Perpetual' a try now!
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21 JUN 05 by
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How does this compare to Mr Lincoln or Black Magic, as I have both of these in my garden now. Does it have the velvet texture ? How long do the blooms last? --K Haas
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#1 of 12 posted
22 JUN 05 by
Anonymous-97434
Papa Meilland is a weaker grower, just as fragrant as Mr. Lincoln, much blacker and more addicted to mildew and rust. Papa Meilland, Mr. Lincoln and Oklahoma are all from the same parents and share similarities. Meilland is the weaker grower and more diseased troubled. Its blooms should last similarly to Mr. Lincoln. I haven't grown Black Magic so I can't comment on it. Would I grow Papa Meilland? I have grown it. It's beautiful. If you want "black roses" with fragrance, Papa and Oklahoma are two of the 'better" black roses.
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#5 of 12 posted
30 JUL 07 by
BAM
I am interested in trying Papa Meilland, and would like to know if it can stand up to the heat in the summer. I live in zone 7 in the mid Atlantic region, and it gets hot and humid. Opening Night and Olympiad do well, lasting a week to 10 days in the garden, but have no scent. Love's Magic (Liebeszauber) only lasts 3-4 days from tight bud with open sepals to seeing the edges of the bloom "burn". I want to find a dark red rose with good scent that will last a week in the garden.
thanks, BAM
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Papa Meilland was created in a hot place, zone 7, where I am. I haven't got that one, but Botero stands the heat very well, as does the new Harkness Carris ... Botero has a fantastic scent ...
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Hey, Tom here! Where did you purchase your Botero from? According to the HMF site all of the vendors are out of the country. (USA) If you have any ideas on how to get a plant, let me know. Thanks!
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Hi, Tom! Sorry, but bought from Meilland here in France. I'll have a look, but I presume they won't post to the US - problems with customs, etc.. :(
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#2 of 12 posted
25 JUN 05 by
Terre
I have had good experience with Papa Meilland and really treasure it's rich color. It is somewhat subject to mildew just like it's sibling Mr. Lincoln, and does not grow the hefty canes (yet) that Mr Lincoln can. It does have a velvety substance or texture and is best grown with companion plants to reduce burning from sunglare and heat reflecting soil. Terre
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#4 of 12 posted
20 JUL 07 by
BAM
Terre,
I saw your answer to a question you posted in 2005 concerning Papa Meilland and its potential for the petals to burn. I live in the mid Atlantic region, and it gets HOT and HUMID in the summer. Do you think I will have trouble with petal burn, and will it be worth trying? Also, could you comment on the "shape" of the bush, rounded like 'Sunset Celibration, Wide V like 'St Patrick', etc.
Thanks, BAM
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#3 of 12 posted
30 AUG 05 by
Unregistered Guest
Most will say that Papa is more difficult to grow than Mr Lincoln, however I have not found Papa that touchy. I feel that Papa has a more pleasant sweeter fragrance that Mr Lincoln (although both are super!). Mr Lincoln in my garden opens flatter and is slightly lighter in colour. On the negative side Papa's growth is more untidy that Mr Lincoln.
I have not grown Balck Magic so I cannot comment on this rose.
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Black Magic is virtually scentless, and quite cold prone. Mr Lincoln and Oklahoma are HUGE HTs. I have seen many that are 10' tall here. Papa M, like Crimson Glory is a weak little thing, with really neat blooms.
Firefighter is really good, but not "black". Velvet Fragrance is also great, and dark, but it is very heat prone.
There really is no "best fragrant black-red" yet. It's a color littered with issues yet to be bred out.
I am currently growing Claret. It will be its 2nd year next summer, so time will tell. It is dark, short, and fragrant.
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#11 of 12 posted
25 DEC 16 by
Nastarana
There was heavy rain one spring in the Central Valley. That year, the Mr. Lincoln blooms were as big as dinner plates.
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Yup. Proudland gets that way too.
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