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AnitaSacramento
most recent 17 SEP 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 SEP 19 by AnitaSacramento
How may I update the as of date for the plant listing for Sacramento Historic Rose Garden? It keeps showing 14 Nov 2008.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 16 SEP 19 by Patricia Routley
You must have added or deleted a rose as it is now showing “Listing last updated on 16 Sep 2019.”
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 16 SEP 19 by AnitaSacramento
If you click on "Plants grown" it shows the 2008 date. Yes, I have been updating - much overdue!
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 16 SEP 19 by Patricia Routley
All gardens should be updated once a year. I pick early January to do mine.
I got on to my husband’s computer and, yes the update date is showing 2008.
On my (volunteer administrator’s) computer it shows 2019. We’ll get help on this one.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 17 SEP 19 by HMF Admin
Patricia, sounds like your husband's computer needs to refresh the cache. The procedure is slightly different depending on the browser used. It should be refreshing automatically though ?
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 17 SEP 19 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Admin. We’ll....er...er ... take it on board.
Later edit - I see. We got it. Ta.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 17 SEP 19 by HMF Admin
There is a UPDATE AS OF DATE button for changing this date. Is it not displayed for you ? Meanwhile, we've update the date for you but we still want to address this issue. The AS OF date is automatically updated if you use the UPLOAD LIST OF PLANTS feature.
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most recent 16 SEP 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 SEP 19 by AnitaSacramento
Romaggi Plot Bourbon is a small plant. Definitely not Mlle Blanche Lafitte, which is 5-6 ft tall.
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most recent 15 SEP 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 SEP 19 by AnitaSacramento
This rose was sold to us as "Mableton Agrippina" by Vintage Gardens about ten years ago. It has remained about three feet high and wide in the Sacramento Historic Rose Garden. Please add this name as one of the synonyms for this plant.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 15 SEP 19 by Patricia Routley
Anita, why do you think it is necessary to add yet another study name when the rose has been identified. Vintage were listing the rose as “Mableton Crimson China” back in 2001 and 2006 - see references.
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most recent 6 JAN 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 JUL 16 by AquaEyes
There is some interesting news for 'Hermosa'. It seems that a recent genetic study has identified more than one individual is going around under this name, even though to our eyes essentially similar enough to seem identical. This reminded me of something I read in "The Graham Stuart Thomas Rose Book" from 1994. In the back, he included some writings of Dr. C. C. Hurst. On page 313, Dr. Hurst begins a discussion about the Bourbons. On the following page (314) was this bit:

"...Although from the first the Bourbon was a distinct type of Rose with its stout prickly stems, vivid rose-colored flowers with rounded imbricated petals and broad leathery leaves, various breaks occurred from time to time through segregation as well as through hybridization. Between 1834 and 1841 the China reversion 'Hermosa' appeared independently with four different breeders, and it is unlikely that all these were due to a China back-cross...."

Essentially, he posited that as Bourbons self-seeded, China characteristics sometimes emerged predominantly, resulting in a sort of "throwback" to 'Old Blush'. The result would be a very China-like rose, perhaps a bit more robust with its dash of Bourbon. This is also likely what "Sophie's Perpetual" is -- a China-reversion from Bourbon breeding. But in any case, this could explain why named plants of 'Hermosa' today are not all genetically identical.

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 20 JUL 16 by Give me caffeine
Fascinating. Do you have a link to the recent study?
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 20 JUL 16 by AquaEyes
Apparently the article referencing the study is in the American Rose magazine issue which came out this month (July 2016). I have not read it, but I have seen discussion of it, and that triggered my memory of the passage I typed out above.

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 6 JAN 19 by AnitaSacramento
The DNA study showed that all Hermosa plants tested were genetically identical, despite apparent differences in plants grown in the Sacramento Historic Rose Garden.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 6 JAN 19 by AquaEyes
Do you have access to the article? I never got to read it. I wonder, then, what became of the different roses called 'Hermosa'.

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 6 JAN 19 by AnitaSacramento
I will look for the article. I don't recall what it says about Hermosa specifically but Fred Boutin told me the tests showed all to be the same. We have about nine different Hermosa plants that came to the cemetery garden under many different names. Some seem a bit more twiggy and China like and some seem a bit more robust and Bourbon-like. It's possible that all of the ones out here in Northern California are clones from the same line and just show variation. Interestingly, we had a seedling in the garden not far from one of the Hermosas and it looked identical. We have lost it and didn't include it in the study.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 6 JAN 19 by AquaEyes
I'm just wondering if the 2016 article is the same as the one Fred Boutin is referencing. If they're not the same, maybe the other article used different 'Hermosa' accessions than those from the cemetery.

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 6 JAN 19 by Andrew from Dolton
Is it possible they could be sports?
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 6 JAN 19 by AnitaSacramento
The roses in the article are the ones that Fred mentions - they came from the Sacramento Historic Rose Garden.
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