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'Vineyard Song' rose Reviews & Comments
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29 APR 09 by
lyn6
Could anyone tell me is the fragrance of Vineyard Song as same as Sweet Chariot's? Thank you!
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Both have complex scents, which have similarities, but are distinctly different. I think Sweet Chariot's fragrance is the nicer of the two. Hope that helps.
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27 MAY 09 by
wallyg
Vineyard Song appears 3' in height, not "the height of 1' to 16" (30 to 40 cm)" in the 'Vineyard Song' description.
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27 MAY 09 by
Cass
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4 MAY 09 by
AnneU
‘Vineyard Song’ = ‘Little Chief’ x ‘Violette’. Source www.everyrose.com
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4 MAY 09 by
Cass
Thanks, Anne. This rose was registered showing the parentage as seedling x self.
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26 FEB 09 by
Joe
Would "Vineyard Song" grow well in a hanging basket? What does it smell like?
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Vineyard Song may grow alright in a hanging basket, but Sweet Chariot is actually a better choice. Sweet Chariot, when grown in a smaller pot, "weeps", hangs down as you'd hope a hanging plant should Vineyard Song is more upright, which may not be as pleasing for you as Sweet Chariot. Both have a sweet fragrance.
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#2 of 10 posted
26 FEB 09 by
Joe
Thanks, that really helps me out. By the way do you know if Vineyard Song or Sweet Chariot sets hips.
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You're welcome Joe. Yes, in my experience, both set hips. Kim
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#4 of 10 posted
28 FEB 09 by
Joe
Thank you, Kim. I like to breed roses on my off time and was thinking about breeding using them as parents. I really appereciate you taking the time out to answer my questions.
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Cool! You're welcome, Joe. What types of ideas do you have in mind for them? Kim
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#6 of 10 posted
28 FEB 09 by
Joe
Well, I would like to breed their fragrance into a mini with more of an old fashioned bloom. I Like their color too. So, my ideal combination would be along the lines of a "Jude the Obscure" bloom form with Sweet Chariot's Color.
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Have you ideas what minis to use with them for the form, etc.? I'd think you could pick up some of what you seek from Golden Angel. Ralph Moore said to me some years ago to concentrate on making a good plant first. "It's always easy to hang a pretty bloom on a good plant, once you HAVE the good plant". Kim
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#8 of 10 posted
28 FEB 09 by
Joe
Actually, I wasn't planning on using a miniature at all for the form. If what they say is true, then the miniature gene is dominant. I plan to use a David Austin Rose.
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I understand the thinking behind using an Austin rose for the form. In warmer climates, his roses tend to be nearly climbing. I think you'll find increased disease resistance and more dwarf, continuous blooming habit benefits of using a greater number of miniatures in your breeding. Personally, I would shy away from using any of Austin's varieties which contain genes from Conrad Ferdinand Meyer as they have a great tendency to rust in warmer climates and are very prone here toward climbing growth. Golden Angel has a large dose of Wichuriana genes, giving it a higher degree of disease resistance in our climate, at least. It also produces a more dwarf plant that is always in bloom.
To illustrate, I created parallel lines of breeding using Basye's Legacy. The first seedling was Orangeade X Legacy and was introduced under the name of Dottie Louise. The second is Lynnie, which was created using Moore's Torch of Liberty, a product of Orangeade X Golden Angel. Lynnie is a more dwarf, continuous blooming plant then Dottie Louise and is greatly more disease resistant than Dottie Louise. The difference between them is the inclusion of Golden Angel. I honestly think you should consider engineering in the desirable traits you can obtain from the minis from the foundation of your line. Kim
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#10 of 10 posted
28 FEB 09 by
Joe
Thanks, for explaining that to me, I think I get what you're saying. On Paul Barden's website, he is always placing emphasis on breeding minis with parents that have good track records. I'll definitely look into what you're saying and now i'll consider Golden Angel and some other minis.
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