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'Long John Silver' rose Reviews & Comments
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The rose in U.S. commerce as 'Long John Silver' is likely misidentified. The correct plant, bred from the yellow HT 'Sunburst', bears large, soft yellow buds and very large (4"), open flowers of creamy white with yellow centers, fading silvery white. NERoseman |
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The description you're giving somewhat contradicts the findings of the article (see References) "Rosenfarbstoffe aus der Sicht eines Chemikers", where petals where scientifically tested for colour and Long John Silver was of the purest white.
Also, the HMF description states "moderate scent", but what I smelled of Sangerhausen's Long John Silver was one of the stronger scents, comparable in intensity to Sunsprite.
While being no expert, I think you can see differences in bloom form in the photos here on HMF, and also in hue. There is one with warm-white, more open, and one with cold-white, more globular blooms.
I would really want to know which one I get when ordering Long John Silver at a nursery, because I want the Sangerhausen one! A haunting scent, made me come back again to sniff it.
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Well, I still think it likely that most of the plants in commerce are something other than 'LJS', perhaps 'Iceland Queen'. The specimen in my photo is in the collection of the oldest public rose garden in the U.S. It does have a good fragrance.
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I've added some references for 'Long John Silver' but could not find anything against the rose in commerce being 'Long John Silver'. ( My mind is outrageously pulling me to 'Colonial White'.) I suspect that the remontancy mentioned for 'Long John Silver' in the 1996 reference was an error. I found no references at all for 'Iceland Queen'. Apparently the Connecticut Garden was opened in 1904. 'Long John Silver' was bred in 1934. Do you have a date when the rose in situ was first planted?
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I take it the rose in your photo, which does show a yellow center, is the correct LJS? Might the impostor be another Horvath rose?
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Who knows if this rose is (a little bit) shade-tolerant?
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#2 of 11 posted
27 MAY 11 by
 Jay-Jay
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Thank You, that means my rose has got the right place in my garden!
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Jay-Jay.......
Many roses may be described as shade tolerant, but it's important to recognized that while the rose is planted in the shade, you may experience less bloom on the plant. However, the roses will "reach for the sun" and as they climb and get more sunlight, you will see more bloom.
Smiles,
Lyn
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#4 of 11 posted
27 MAY 11 by
Jay-Jay
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Thank You Lynn,
This rose is not planted in the shadow and it is almost all day in the sun, but has some oaks reaching over its growing place. This rose can spread over a bank made of soil and layers of pruned branches and twigs. There are trees on the bank to climb in. I know roses are plants that mostly grew originally at the borders of woods, like apple trees did too.
But human-kind cultivated them and now, they most of the time need more sun, fertilisation and care. (TLC)
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Sounds beautiful. I wish I did not have rose curculios in my garden and did not have to disbud the first flush of roses to keep them from breeding in the garden or I know I would be growing this rose !
Smiles,
Lyn
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#6 of 11 posted
27 MAY 11 by
Jay-Jay
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I don't know what rose curculios are, but that doesn't sound like a nice infestation.... But I'll look them up.
Here almost all my first rosebuds are decapitated, as I wrote before, by the caterpillars of the Wintermoth and the Mottled Umber.
Near that same bank, under almost the same conditions, also Wichurana, Paul Noël, American Pillar, Paul's Himalayan Musk Rambler, Sander's White Rambler, Starkodder and Seagull are growing and thriving too.
Kiftsgate is really growing in the shade of some mighty oak trees and grew in its first 1/2 year more than 12 foot.
Gradually our garden is becoming a little rose-garden of Eden.
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Jay-Jay......
You can find rose curculios, with photos, in the GLOSSARY on HMF. They are a type of beetle that feeds and lays eggs in the buds of roses, destroying the bloom. They come up from the ground around mid-May and have one short season that lasts until about mid-July. Once they have layed an egg in the bud, the bud shrivels and drops to the ground, where the young larvae go underground to over-winter and grow until the next season. There is no control execept for contact spray, which doesn't work because they are active from sunrise to sunset every day; systemic drence which kills the beneficials as well as the bad guys, or hand picking, which doesn't work for the same reason contact spray doesn't work and is very labor intensive.
Last year, I decided not to allow them to breed in my garden and disbudded the whole garden one day. Then the following evening, I disbudded the garden again, and only saw a few curculio damaged buds and few curculios, The second evening of disbudding I had the same results. By the third evening, I saw NO curculios and no damaged buds. There was no place for them to feed and lay eggs, so they migrated out of the garden. I deliberately stopped the disbudding prior to the expected end of the curculio season to see if they would migrate back to the garden. I did see damage on one bush out of over 90 in the garden.
This season, I have only seen damage on one rose which is located down on the street across from a park where species roses grow. It appears to me, that they did not breed in my garden last year and it may take a while for them to migrate back to the garden. I might be able to see a few blooms before I have to disbud again. However, this has been a long and cool spring, so I am not certain that my experiment is a success. I think I have to follow this practice for a few years before I can claim success.
However, I did learn a very valuable lesson about my roses. They have a mandate to bloom and they pushed more buds and growth during the period of disbudding than I had ever seen before in the garden.
Smiles,
Lyn
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#8 of 11 posted
27 MAY 11 by
Jay-Jay
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A story, with likely a happy, flowerfull end!
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#9 of 11 posted
27 MAY 11 by
Jay-Jay
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I found out they are called weevils too: http://www.sactorose.org/rosebug/index.htm
In Dutch they are called "snuitkevers" as a family.
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#11 of 11 posted
27 MAY 11 by
RoseBlush
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Yup... Baldo has visited my garden. However, I haven't told him about my experiment, yet. I want to give it a few more years and then he may decided to add my method of keeping these critters from breeding in my garden to his list of controls for the dang bugs !
Smiles,
Lyn
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#10 of 11 posted
27 MAY 11 by
Jay-Jay
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Or even look at:
http://www.google.nl/search?q=Curculionidae&hl=nl&prmd=ivnsb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4BTgTcySLYmXOpCQrIUK&ved=0CEUQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=654
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29 JUL 08 by
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