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"Dr. Russell's Yellow" rose Reviews & Comments
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I wonder if the "Mulvay Rose" (syn "Vestey's Yellow Tea") could be 'Gustave Regis'?
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An intriguing suggestion. I haven't noticed carmine on it, but I'll keep a lookout for it. I've posted some more photos, under "Vestey's Yellow" (actually the photos are of "Dr Russell's Yellow").
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I have never seen any carmine either. The other thing against it is the thorns of 'Gustave Regis' seem to be almost straight, rather than the distinctive "eagle beak" thorns of the "Mulvay Rose". 'Gustave Regis' does seem to have those little ribbony centre petals of our foundling though. (Botanica's p613 photo of "Vestey's Yellow Tea" shows these ribbony petals beautifully.) There is not much on 'Gustave Regis' in the refs - I'll search the books for some more.
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There is now much more to be read in the 'Gustave Regis' references.
Apart from the mentions of carmine, I think 'Gustave Regis' is certainly a possibility as an identification for the "Mulvay Rose" (syn: "Vestey's Yellow Tea"), but would like to seek others' opinions.
'Gustave Regis' hovered between being a pillar rose and a tall HT and it would be helpful to hear of the heights of the foundling bushes in Australia. I am not able to get out to my bush at the moment, but I think it may be about two metres high.
It may be that the 1940 'Gustave Regis' reference was written by a relative of Tid Alston in Victoria and she may recall if "Vestey's Yellow Tea" could be 'Gustave Regis'.
Certainly we should be comparing the 'Gustave Regis' at Cavriglia with the "Mulvay Rose" (syn: "Vestey's Yellow Tea")
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Five years on, I am marking the "Mulvay Rose" as the 1890 'Gustave Regis' in my PRIVATE RECORDS. The wording in 'Gustave Regis' about the carmine was often preceded by "sometimes"; the early eagle beak thorns seem to have straightened out in maturity; and the height gleaned from the "Mulvay Rose" comments seems right.
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My bush of "Dr Russell's Yellow" was a tall HT. At Renmark both it and "Vestey's Yellow" are under 1.2m, but they were frequently deadheaded by David, and pruned in winter (unlike mine!).
I no longer have it, having decided I had too many semisingle yellows-fading-white, but it was floriferous.
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24 MAY 14 by
Smtysm
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Is there much fragrance?
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Tea Roses: Old Roses for Warm Gardens' , 2008, page 194 says "Light, sweet tea".
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#2 of 8 posted
24 MAY 14 by
Smtysm
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Thank you. I'm really looking forward to seeing this new to me rose flower.
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How did you go with this one? It looks nice in the available photos, so I'm curious.
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I don't think it's considered to be Tea now- at most cuspy Tea-HT, and not all that shapely, but it's very generous with flowers. A survivor rose across the mainland southern states.
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"Vestey's Yellow Cuspy" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
I assume by "not all that shapely" you're referring to the "informality" of the flowers. They are a bit shaggy on it, but they still give a good effect.
I assume the bush itself has a decent enough shape.
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Yes, fairly upright bush, informal flowers.
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#7 of 8 posted
30 JUN 16 by
Smtysm
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I don't mind 'Vestey's Yellow Cuspy'. It's nice to know that it probably doesn't mind what its name or category is... and that it probably doesn't mind that I'm about to mention that the bush hardly even qualifies as a 'bush'; more as a structure comprising several vigorously sprouting stark twigs. I think it's getting enough light in the warmer months. At this time of the year the sun's skating round below the top of a huge Lemon Scented Gum for part of the day.
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Sounds a bit like Mr. Lincoln as far as bush form. I'm rather over that look. In future I want things that look like decent shrubs even when not in flower.
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I believe the “Mulvay rose” (syn “Vestey’s yellow Tea”) could be the 1911 rose ‘Melody’.
There are many references to this rose in HelpMeFind but there are two references which don’t quite jell with my rose. The 1917 reference says “very double”, but ‘Melody’ was well known as a decorative rose, so I take this “very double” with a grain of salt. And there was reference to “Exquisite purple wood”. My rose certainly has exquiste red tones in the new foliage but the mature wood is green. Overall the rest of the references lead me to believe that this rose may well be ‘Melody’ from 1911.
Two pieces of provenance are also leading to this foundling being the 1911 rose ‘Melody’:
The Mulvay family settled on their Western Australian property (now called Tandora) between 1910 and 1912.
“Vestey’s Yellow Tea” was found at the site of Coombe Cottage at Coldstream, Victoria where Dame Nellie Melba purchased the site in 1909. At that time she was enthroned as the leading soprano of the age. The foundling rose was named after Dame Nellie Melba’s only grandchild who became Lady Vestey and in later life moved back to Combe Cottage to live. It seems most appropriate that Dame Nellie Melba would have wanted a rose called ‘Melody’ in her new garden.
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Brilliant. Thanks Gartenjockels kleine gaerten. As always, we are grateful for any help with the foundlings.
I've put suggestions in the Notes for this rose: Possibly 'Vanity', Halstead 1901, 'Melody', Scott, 1911, or 'Luna', 1925. But I am sure other Australians may have other ideas. Many are now growing this rose. The 2008 Australian book 'Tea Roses: Old Roses for Warm Gardens', page 194, were considering 'Sulphurea', 'Gustave Regis' and 'Mme. Pernet-Ducher', and I will add these possibilities to the main page. They had discounted 'Beryl', 'Comtesse Frigneuse' and 'Mme. Chedane Guinoisseau'.
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#3 of 8 posted
7 OCT 14 by
 kai-eric
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it would be most helpful to have a spreadsheet as a reminder. sorry for confusion about my gartenjockel garden and myself....
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Possible identifications
'Vanity', Halstead 1901
'Melody', Scott, 1911.
'Luna', 1925.
'Mme. Pernet-Ducher'', 1891
'Sulphurea', 1900
I have asked another member if they can help you further. I am sure they will be in touch.
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#5 of 8 posted
9 OCT 14 by
kai-eric
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you don't have a facebook account for that behalf?
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No kai-eric, I don't. I don't use twitter, you-tube or any other computer-generated media. I also have never even used a mobile phone (because I live so far in the Australian bush that they just don't work out here.) I have my large garden full of twittering birds and roses and I use HelpMefind.com and that keeps me very, very happy
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#7 of 8 posted
9 OCT 14 by
kai-eric
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i have generated an excel schedule that can be further completed. if you like so i might send it to you via email.
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Thank you kai-eric. You are kind. I will send you a private message.
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Hi kai-eric. Thank you for offering to check roses at Sangerhausen in the summer. I will work on a list and get the details to you before then.
Regards
Billy
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'Luna', 1925 should also be considered as a possibly candidate for the "Mulvay Rose", "Vestey's Yellow Tea" and "Dr. Russell's Yellow". In the 1926, 1930 and 1936 references it was said to be borne mostly solitary, but the 'Luna' photo from Boronkay seems to be flowering in clusters. The "Mulvay Rose" certainly flowers in clusters. There are now more references in the file for 'Luna'.
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