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Discussion id : 12-361 most recent 25 MAY 06 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 24 MAY 06

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Reply #1 of 3 posted 24 MAY 06 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

You don't say where you live, but here in Southern California, Ballerina is a large climber. I've seen it go 25' into a pine tree! In one season, it went to the roof of a single story house. Most of the Hybrid Musk roses you'll find on Help Me Find could do well for your use. Just check the heights to see what will fit your need.

You may want to rethink the idea of Mermaid for you Zone 7b garden. Help Me Find reports it's hardy in Zones 8 and 9. From experience, Mermaid doesn't tolerate hard freezes, so if you select it and have them with any frequency, try protecting it by growing it on a wall. If flexibility is important for this planting, forget Mermaid all together. The wood can be used to create tough, hard wood flooring! It's brittle and resists bending, unless the rose has the idea first. It's a great climber, one I wouldn't choose to be without, BUT, I live in Zone 10 with undertones of 9, where it gets 40' to 50' in just a few years. And, those thorns ARE wicked! Huge, curved and very sharp!

William, I don't know if you're aware, but Help Me Find is actively soliciting commercial nurseries to become paying sponsors to advertise here on this site. I notice your employer, Jackson and Perkins, isn't a paying sponsor. Perhaps, you being a J&P employee, could assist them in getting the powers that be at your office to become a paying sponsor to help support this wonderful resource? I know everyone appreciates any and all assistance in answering the questions posted here, but I do find it unfair for you to advertise your employer's products here, free, without them paying for the privilege. If you can, please, contact the appropriate people in your organization and promote Help Me Find to them so they can assist in keeping this site the premier rose resource it has become. Thank you! Kim Rupert

Reply #2 of 3 posted 24 MAY 06 by William

Also, the Mermaid Antique Climber gets about 10'-15' high with a width of 15'. Its color is cream to light yellow with a deep yellow center and about 5" blooms. Has a wonderful honey fragrance and is disease resistant, cold hardy and shade tolerant. It's also tolerant of poor soil conditions. It is considered a vigorous climber/rambler. You do have to train it to climb up a structure as it is lax and sprawling. Does not require pruning, light if any. Thorns are sharp, but there are not many. Hope this helps.

William

Reply #3 of 3 posted 25 MAY 06 by Cindy Q

Thank you both for answering. I am in North Carolina zone 7b. I love ballerina its beautiful but wonder if it wouldn't be wise to plant it if it wants to be that big. Would it be a constant battle to keep it at the height I want? Mermaid sounds like a good choice as well. When I do settle on a rose to plant in those 2 spots should I get 1 rose for either side or 2 assuming that I picked either ballerina or mermaid that is...?

Thanks again both

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Initial post 19 OCT 05 by Unregistered Guest

Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 MAR 06 by Anonymous-797

Darlow's Enigma, Victorian Memory. My 2 Darlow's are very young (< 1 year) , but grew from 1 qt stem to about 2.5', bloomed. Victorian Memory is also less than 1 year old planted from a band, so it did not do much other than grow.
Any Rugosa should fit the bill as well. The previous owner planted about 16 pink Rugosas around, and they have survived drought, neglect, and cold. A little fish emulsion and iron and they just take off. Most of the bushes are shaded by trees for much of the day.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 4 APR 06 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

It would be easier to suggest roses for your question of you'd please give more of an idea where you are. "Shade" in Southern California is quite different from "shade" in Buffalo, New York and could very well make suggestions made for one, inappropriate for the other. The reduced heat and sunlight in shade can result in greater mildew possibilities as can water stressed conditions, so a higher resistance to mildew should probably be one of your criteria for selection.

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Initial post 29 MAY 03 by Jackie

I've been trying to find a particular rose, but everyone seems to be "sold out". It's a climbing Bourbon Rose named "Zephirine Drouhin". It's an old rose (1868) and apparently doesn't need full sun to bloom. Does anyone know where I can purchase one or two plants?	REPLY

Reply #1 of 6 posted 2 JUN 03 by Unregistered Guest

Try Mileagers Garden Center in Racine Wisconsin. They recently had 2 in stock, however, they may be able to provide you with a contact for purchase located in your area.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 6 posted 24 AUG 03 by Elaine

I bought five Zephrine Drouhins a couple of years ago.I ordered mine through a nursery in the EARLY spring,but I also found a small outlet online.I can't remember the name.A mother and son runs it out of Texas and the rose was only $14.95.You can find the address under 'old roses'.The Zephrine Drouhin is an ole rose from 1868.Its fragrance reminds me of raspberries.I love them! This year,mine are doing wonderfully well! Good luck!

Reply #3 of 6 posted 21 SEP 03 by Nicole

I found one at Home Depot......beware.....the roots had been cut off to make it fit in the pot. Yes,it died! Check it out throughly before buying if possible,shake it out of the pot and if "no" roots are visible and the dirt falls away.......walk away!	REPLY

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Reply #6 of 6 posted 20 MAR 06 by Mechroneal

J&P http://www.jacksonandperkins.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/productlink.d2w/report?superitem=2345&sliSearch=2345	REPLY

Reply #7 of 6 posted 23 MAR 06 by Anonymous-797

High Country Gardens and Heirloom Roses both offer own root ZD.	REPLY

Discussion id : 388 most recent 12 APR 07 SHOW ALL

Initial post 23 MAR 03 by Franz K. Baskett

SHADE TOLERANT SHRUB ROSES:

WHITE AND CREAM SHADES:
2.5' – 3'
1. Burnet Double White (Scot's Rose): Pimpinellifolia (Pp)/S/s/pre 1650
2. Dunwich Rose: Pp/s/ 1950/procumbent
3. Horstmann's Rosenresli: FL/D/c/Hortsmann/ 1955
4. Mcmillan Nurse: MS/D/c/Beales/1998
5. Pearl Drift: MS/SD/c/LeGrice/1983

3' – 5'
6. White Pet: Poly(PL)/VD/c/Henderson/1879
7. Blanchefleur: D/D/s/Vibert/1835
8. Mme. Hardy: D/VD/s/Hardy/1832
9. Manning's Blush: Sweet Briar (SB)/D/s/Manning/1930
10. Mary Manners: R/?/c/Leicester/1970
11. Moonlight: HM/S/c/Pemberton/1913
12. Nyveldt's White: R/SD/r/Nyveldt/?
13. Penelope: HM/SD/c/Pemberton/1876
14. Pompon Blanc Parfait: A/ VD/s/1876
15. Prosperity: HM/ VD/c/Pemberton/1919
16. Schneewerg: R/ SD/c/1912

Over 5'
17. Alba Maxima: A/VD/s/ancient(a)
18. Alba Semiplena: A/SD/s/a
19. Blanche de Belgique: A/Vd/s/ 1817
20. Fuhlingsanhang: MS/D/s/Kordes/1954
21. Heather Muir: Sericea Hybrid(SH)/S/r/Sunningdale/1957
22. Jeanne d'Arc: A/D/s/Vibert/1818
23. Mme. Legras de St. Germain: A/D/s/unknown/1818
24. Mme. Plantier: A/D/s/Plantier/1835
25. Nova Zembla: R/D/r/Mees/1907/sport of Conrad F. Meyer. Identical, but white.
26. Pax: HM/D/c/Pemberton/1918/ largest of the HMs. Commemorates the end of WW1
27. Rosa Rugosa alba: R/S/r/unknown/1860
28. Snowdon: R/SD/r/Beales/1989

YELLOW SHADES:

UP TO 3'

29. Mme. Franziaska Kruger: Tea(T)/D/c/Nabonnard/1880
30. Autumn Sunset: MS/D/c/Lowe/1989

3'-5'
31. Buff Beauty" HM/D/Bentall/c1939/ not good cut. Mid summer start.
32. Helen Knight: H R ecae/S/s/unknown/1966/ fern like foliage
33. Old Yellow Scotch: PP/D/s/ancient
34. Ormiston Roy: Pp/SD/r/Doorenbos/1839

Over 5'
35. Agnes: R/D/r/Sanders/1966
36. Canary Bird: MS/S/s/unknown/1900
37. Danae: HM/D/c/Pemberton/1913/highly regarded
38. Dr. Eckener: R/SD/r/1931/Berger/large flowered
39. Fruhlingsgold: MS/S/s/Kordes/1951
40. Goldbush: MS/SD/R/Kordes/1954
41. Golden Chersonese: HE/S/r/Allen/1963
42. Hidcote Gold: MS/S/s/Hidcote/1948
43. Thisbe: HM/D/c.Pemberton/1918

ORANGE SHADES:

TO 3':
44. Golden Salmon Superieur: PL/SD/c/De Ruiter/1929
45. Mme. Laurette Messimy: C/SD/c/Guillot/1887

3" to 5":
46. Westerland: MS/D/c/Kordes/1969/reccomended
47. Lady Penzance: Sweet Briar(SB)/S/s/Penzance/1894/good hedge
48. Lord Penzance: SB/S/s/Penzance/1894.good hedge
49. Vangard: R/SD/s/Unknown/1950

RED SHADES:

TO 3'

50. Duchess of Portland: D/S/r/unknown/1790
51. Gloria Mundi: PL/D/c/De Ruiter/1878
52. Nanette: Gallica(G)/S/s/ancient/purple streaks
53. Gallica officinalis: G/S/s/ancient
54. Single Cherry: Pp/S/s/ancient/fern-like foliage
55. St. Prist de Breuze: C/D/Deprez/1898

3' – 5'
56. Assembalge des Beautes: G/D/unknown/1832
57. Carmen: R/S/r/Lambert/1907
58. Fountain: MS/D/c/Tantau/1948/thorny
59. Henry Kelsey: MS/SD/r/Svejda/1984/excellent form
60. Mrs. Anthony Waterer: R/SD/c/Waterer/?
61. Prince Charles: B/D/s/unknown
62. Robusta: R/S/r/Kordes/1979
63. Rosa rugosa "typica": R/SD/s/1796
64. Rugspin: R/S/r/unknown/1960

Over 5':

65. Anne de Geierstein: SB/S/s/unknown/1894
66. Autumn Fire: MS/SD/r/Kordes?1961
67. Dortmund: MS/S/r/Kordes/1955
68. Eddies Jewel: MS/SD/s/Eddie/1962
69. Eos: MS/SD/s/Ruys/1950
70. Gypsy Boy (Zigeunerknabe): B/D/s/Geshwind/1909
71. Greenmantle: SB/S/s/Penzance/1895
72. Hamburger Phoenix: MS/S?/c/Kordes/1954
73. Meg Merrilies: SB/SD/s/Penzance1909
74. Scharlachglut: G/S/s/Kordes/1952

PURPLE SHADES:
TO 3'

75. Baby Faurax: PL/D/c/Lille/1924
76. Deuil de Paul Fontaine: M/D/r/Fontaine/1873
77. Mary Qeen of Scots: Pp/S/s/ancient
78. William III: Pp/SD/s/unknown

3' – 5'
79. Mrs. Colville: Pp/S/s/unknoen/1850
80. Reine de Violettes: HP/VD/c/Milet-Malet/1860/highly recommended

Over 5'
81. La Belle Sultaine: G/SD/s/ancient
82. Mme. Isaac Pereire:B/VD/Garcon1881/highly recommended
83. Magnifica: MS/SD/c/Hess/1916
84. Roseraie de l'Hay: R/D/r/Cochet-Cochet/1901/highly recommended

DEEP PINK SHADES

TO 3'
85. Corylus: HR/S/c/Rougetel/1981
86. Jens Monk: R/D/r/Beales/1974
87. Lady Curzon: R/S/s/Turner/1901
88. Rosa gallicia velutnaeflora: G/S/ancient

3' – 5'
89. Agatha: G/D/s/unknown/1858
90. Belinda, HM/SD/c/Bentall/1936
91. Cornelia /HM/SD/c/Pemberton/1928
92. Elmshorn: MS/D/r/Kordes/1951
93. Erfurt: MS/SD/c/Kordes/1986/recommended for long season
94. Glory of Edzell: /MS/S/s/unknown/1939
95. Kazanlik (Triginintipetala"): D/SD/r/ancient/atar rose
96. Lavender lassie: MS/VD/c/Kordes/1960/highly recommended
97. Louise Odier:B/VD/c/Margotin/1851/highly recommended
98. Mme. Lauriol de Barny: B/VD/r/Troullard/1868
99. Pink Prosperity: HM/S/c/Bentall/1931

Over 5'
100. Amy Robsart: HM/SD/s/Penzance/1894
101. Belle Poitevine: R/D/r/Bruant/1894
102. Bourbon Queen: B/SD/s/Mauget/1834
103. Canina Abbotwood: MS/SD/s/Hilling/1954
104. Cerise Bouquet: MS/VD/s/Kordes/1958
105. Complicata: G/S/s/origin unknown
106. Flora Mclvor: SB/S/s/Penzance/1894
107. Master Hugh: MS/S/s/Mason/1968
108. Rose Edouard: B/D/r/Perichart-Neumann/1818/first Bourbon. The F1 hybred.
109. Scabrosa R/S/r/Harkness/1950
110. Schoener Nutkana: MS:S/s/Schoener/1930
111. Sophies Perpetual: C/D/r/pre. 1928/recommended
112. Therese Bugnet: R/VD/c/Bugnet/1950/highly recommended
113. William and Mary: MS/D/s/Beales/1988
114. William Baffin: MS/SD/r/Sevjde/1983
115. Wretham Rose: C/D/s/Beales/1997

SOFT PINK SHADES

TO 3'

116. Alfred de Dalmas: Moss(M)/D/c/Laffay/1855
117. Burnet's Double Pink: Pp/SD/s/17th century
118. Cameo: PL/SD/c/de Ruitter/1932
119. Coral Cluster: PL/SD/s/Murrell/1920's
120. Falkland: Pp/D/s/unknown/1950
121. Fimbrata: R/SD/c/unknown/1891/recommended
122. Fru Dagmar Hastrup: R/S/c/Hastrup/1914/recommended
123. Glorie de France: S/VD/s/Vibert/1819
124. Many Happy Returns: MS/SD/c/Harkness/1991
125. Margo Koster: PL/D/c/Koster/1931
126. The Fairy: PL/D/c/Bentall/1932/highly recommended

3' to 5'

127. Agathe Incarnata: G/D/s/1800
128. A. Longues Pedoncules: M/D/s/Robert/1845
129. Ballerina: MS/S/c/Bentall/1937
130. Chloris: A/D/s/Descemet/pre. 1848
131. Buchesse de Montebello: G/D/s/Laffay/1829
132. Felicia: HM/D/c/Pemberton/1928/highly recommended
133. Felicite Parmentier: A/D/s/Parmentier/1834/ recomended
134. Fritz Nobis: MS/D/s/Kordes/1940
135. James Mitchell: M/VD/s/Verdier/1961
136. Janet's Pride: SB/D/s/Paul/1892
137. Konigin von Danemark: A/VD/s/1826
138. Maiden"s Blush, Great: A/D/s/15th Century
139. Martin Forbisher: R/D/c/1968
140. Pink Grootendorst: R/S/s/1923/inferior
141. Pomifera Duplex: S/SD/s/1900
142. Rose d'Orsay: S/D/r/uncertain origin
143. Rosenette: FLD/c/1939
144. Sarah Van Fleet: R/SD/r/1926/very fragrant
145. Souvenir de Philiemon Cochet: R/D/r/1899
146. Stanwell Perpetual: Pp/VD/c/1838/very fragrant. recommended

Over 5'

147. Celestial: SB/SD/s/1894
148. Conrad F. Meyer: R/D/r/1899/the famous parent
149. Fruhlingsduft: MS/D/s/1949
150. Fruhlingszauber: MS/SD/s/1942
151. Old Blush(Parson's Pink China): C/D/c/1789/one of the "4 stud Chinas."
152. Rose d'Amour: MS/D/r/1820

STRIPED, BICOLOR. MULTICOLORED. UNUSUAL

TO 3'

153. Burnet Irish Marbled: Pp/D/s/ancient
154. Burnet Marbled Pink: Pp/D/s/ancient
155. Rosa Mundi: G/SD/s/striped
156. Viridiflora: C/D/c/1855/novelty

To 5'

157. Cocktail: MS/S/c/1959/y&r
158. Hebe's Lip: SB/SD/s/1912/w. edged w/r.
159. Sadler's Wells: MS/SD/c/1983/p& r
160. Fruhlingsmorgen: MS/S/s/1942/r&y

Over 5'
161. Honorine de Brabant: B/D/r/origin unknown/striped/recommended

Reply #1 of 1 posted 12 APR 07 by Anna

Thanks for this list! I've had good luck with 'New Dawn,' a great climber that's very vigorous and a luminous soft pink with a classic rose form, as well as the rugosas 'Hansa" (which was in the yard when we bought our home, built c. 1916) and 'Blanc Double de Coubert.'	REPLY