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Discussion id : 109-286
most recent 5 days ago HIDE POSTS
Initial post 6 days ago by Jeannettedanehy
I am looking for the rose white night - a shrub rose -
introduced by Jackson & Perkins back in the 80's or early 90's.
registered name is POUlaps, bred by Pernille Olsen.
do you grow it and do you ship to the US?
Thank you, Jeannette Danehy
Reply #1 of 6 posted 5 days ago by Margit Schowalter
If you use the HMF search feature and type "White Nights" into the search box, you will be taken to a listing for the rose. From there you want to select the "buy from" tab. There are several nurseries in North America that sell the rose. Hope this helps.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 5 days ago by Patricia Routley
Margit, Jeannette is trying to find a US supplier of
White Nights POUlaps 1985 climber. Not the
White Knight 1954 hybrid tea.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 5 days ago by Margit Schowalter
Patricia, it is this one
Reply #4 of 6 posted 5 days ago by Patricia Routley
Yes. But it is only available in Germany, Netherlands, France, Denmark, Norway and Czech Republic.
Jeannette lives in USA and there are no nurseries there that list 'White Nights' POUlaps.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 5 days ago by Margit Schowalter
Yes, you are right. My mistake..
Reply #6 of 6 posted 5 days ago by Patricia Routley
That is quite okay Margit. Mistakes are easily made by all of us. It is really only by bouncing things back and forth that they come right in the end.
Discussion id : 109-043
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Initial post 5 MAR by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
Ahem. This nursery is back to the practice of introducing "new" roses that are actually old roses under newly invented (by them) marketing names. I called them out on this when they introduced "Moonlight in Paris" that is actually Garden and Home, a previously introduced variety in the US (by Ludwigs), and for which "Garden and Home" is also the official exhibition name for that rose. A few weeks ago, they showed the codename (DELanac) of "Moonlight in Paris" on their website, so one could see when this supposedly "new" rose was actually a re-introduction of the older rose under a new name, which in that case, it was. Their response to being called out on using new marketing names was to remove the codenames from their website listings for their so-called "new" roses. So they have now just taken to hiding the fact that their "new" roses are actually re-introductions of older roses under newly invented names. Beware!
Reply #1 of 2 posted 5 MAR by HEIRLOOM ROSES
Dear Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden,

Thank your for your post, however, we do not take the liberty to rename roses for marketing or any other purposes.

The rose you referred to had it's name changed directly by the breeder. We have never grown Garden and Home, so this rose, Moonlight in Paris was new to us and introduced as such to our customers.

If you would like to discuss our new introduction process, please give us a call and our Sales and Marketing Manager will be happy to speak with you. You can reach us at 800-820-0465.

Thank you.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 days ago by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
That's different than what I had heard, and if I am wrong, I am sorry. But, for the record, what I understood was that you had obtained these roses from Ludwig's stock after Anja closed the Arizona company, and there this rose was known as "Garden and Home," and a few of my rose society pals that bought it from them grow it under that name, which is also how the ARS has it registered. I also looked at the current Ludwigs catalog for their South African company, and it is also sold there as "Garden and Home."

See, this quote from Ludwig's current catalog blurb on this rose:
Garden and Home DELanac(N)
One of few roses with informal growth habit & flower
shape of the old roses while possessing flower power
& vigour; clusters on upright growing stems - pickable.
Round buds open slowly to classical cup shape of old
roses; many petals & stamens; fruity, spicy fragrance;
deep green, slightly frilly leaves. Plant alone, in groups,
rows or mix with others.
From Ludwigs 2017/2018 catalog: see,

So, with all that, now I am really curious who took it upon themselves to rename this rose "Moonlight in Paris." Can you shed any light on that?
Discussion id : 108-620
most recent 19 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 18 FEB by Starnes Jr., John A.
I renewed my membership but it seems to be working. I will try again. John
Reply #1 of 3 posted 19 FEB by HMF Admin
You should be all set now John. Hope all is well by you and thank you so much for you continued support all these years.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 19 FEB by Starnes Jr., John A.
I meant it DOES not seem to be working.....I can't look up family trees.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 19 FEB by HMF Admin
In situations like this, it's best if we can attempt to replicate the exact problem you are having and knowing the specific details make this much easier and facilitate much quicker resolution.
Discussion id : 107-685
most recent 31 JAN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 31 JAN by billy teabag
Sunrise Flowers International Ltd. was an enterprise of Peter Gibson and Paddy Elphick based in a northern Perth (western Australia) suburb in the late 1900s. The 'Kooiana' series of roses (including the lovely 'Kooiana Daybreak') were patented and introduced through this company.
Two of the Kooiana roses were also offered under synonyms as commemorative and fund-raising roses, eg as is already noted on HMF, 'Kooiana Moonlight' was offered as Guildford Grammar School's 'Guildfordian' and 'Kooiana Butterscotch' was St Hilda's Anglican School for Girls' commemorative rose, named 'St. Hilda's'.
Their 'Glorious Heritage' was donated as a rose to commemorate the International Year of Older Persons (1999) and a competition to decide the eventual name was won by 79-year-old Mrs Florence Glasgow of North Beach, Perth.
In the light of this I am wondering whether 'Sid's Rose' might have been donated to raise funds for the Sudden Infant Death Syndrome research foundation. I can find nothing to support this (or anything else about the rose) but will add anything relevant about this rose, Sunrise Flowers, Peter Gibson and Paddy Elphick that comes to light.
Peter Gibson has a profile here at HMF, but Paddy Elphick doesn't. A day's Googling has failed to turn up much in the way of useful biographical material. Of interest is that in 1981 he won a Churchill Fellowship to study developments in the cultivation, disease control, irrigation and marketing techniques, in the growing of proteaceous plants for the International flower trade – Sth Africa, UK, Holland.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 31 JAN by Patricia Routley
Peter Gibson was a long-time cardio-thoracic surgeon at Royal Perth Hospital.

The Australian Rose Annual 1981 page 27 commemorating The T. A. Stewart Memorial Award 1980 says Dr. H. R. (Bob) Elphick was awarded a C.B.E. for his outstanding service to Thoracic and General Medicine.

I can imagine these two men knew each other well and talked roses over open chests and beating hearts.
See also the ARA 2006, page 74 for Dr. Elphick's obituary, written by Jean and Arthur Waghorn. I am sure they will know if Paddy Elphick was Dr. Elphick - or perhaps his wife?
Reply #2 of 3 posted 31 JAN by billy teabag
Thanks very much Patricia.
(and having spent a bit of time in op theatres when I was younger, I can well imagine the scene you paint.)
Reply #3 of 3 posted 31 JAN by Margaret Furness
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