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Initial post 21 SEP 20 by Nadene
Hi everyone,

I am from Australia and researching information to use on rose plaques. In particular the David Austin roses.
I am rather hoping someone could help me with some questions.

I have noticed on different websites (including David Austin website) and official rose registries that the second name is written differently. For example, ‘Benjamin Britten’ is typed as (AUSencart) and (Ausencart) and occasionally (Austin Wonder in the case of the Ambridge Rose).

What is considered as the official way to type it?
Is there a significance to it being typed in multiple forms?

I have also noticed different websites and registries using different year dates. I am aware that his roses were registered in other countries in different years, however different sources have different year dates even within the same country.

Is anyone able to help me with any info or guidance on this matter?

Much appreciated :)
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 21 SEP 20 by Patricia Routley
Hello Nadine,
It is a long time since we corresponded and I gather you are looking at the roses of the Parliament House Rose Gardens.

Breeders used to give their roses code names. This code name stayed with the rose for its lifetime and despite different countries renaming the rose with umpteen different names, the breeder, and gardeners, could always tell which rose it was, no matter how many different names it was sailing under around the world.
For many years the standard was that the first three letters of a rose’s code name (or appellation) were capitalised (AUSencart) and this signified clearly that it was a code name. A good example is Kordes KORgeowim rose which is sold under four different names around the world. Whilst you will find various examples of non-capitalisation in the code names. HelpMeFind prefers to use the old CAPitalisation form. It is clear.
‘Austin Wonder’ is a synonym of the originally-named ‘Ambridge Rose” and is sold in New Zealand as ‘Austin Wonder’.

The dates - we have the date the rose was pollinated, the date the seedling was selected by the breeder as being worthwhile, the date he gave it to a nursery to propagate, and the date, usually years later when the nursery introduced/sold it. Often it was registered long after.
I prefer to use the breeder’s bred date - it can make the search for parentage a lot simpler.

I note the spellings in the Parliament House rose gardens rose listings have needed a bit of refinement. Listing the roses with HelpMeFind will correct this.
Patricia
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 22 SEP 20 by Nadene
Hi Patricia,

Great to hear from you. Thanks so much for responding to my post. What you have posted is of great help. You are correct that I am working on the signs in the Old Parliament House Rose Gardens. Over the years I too have noticed some discrepancies in the signs.

Are there any other outstanding issues you would like to highlight. If so, I am more than happy to be contacted. With out posting personal details, I can be contacted through NCA.

Thanks so much again for your info.

Nadene
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 22 SEP 20 by Patricia Routley
I will continue this thread in the page for Old Parliament House Gardens.
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