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You might try and or contact Roseraie du Désert. http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=17.10097
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#1 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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Thank you!I take it they sell the real Lavallee?I'll keep that in mind next autumn.
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#2 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
 Jay-Jay
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Their rose looks nothing like Souvenir du Dr. Jamain, or Erinnerung an Brod.
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#3 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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Great!I got my fake Lavallee from Guillot and I've just planted Brod from Loubert.I'm very excited about Brod,I planted it next to Thor,as I think their purples would look good together.Can't wait to see if I'm right.This is terribly off topic,but I miss my roses!Still haven't spring pruned anything,as it snowed only a few days ago and temperatures are still negative during the night.Flowering will be awfully late for me this year and potentially compromised in quality too,as we had some terrible frosts in February,after a very warm winter:most roses were already sporting chunky buds and the frost got to the roses through the buds.I'm afraid I'll have to prune them nearly to the ground.Sombreuil looks very brown,I hate to think it froze,but it looks quite bad to my untrained eyes,it will take me another 4 yrs at least to grow another one!On the plus side,a lot of ancient roses have miraculously made it without freezing:Madame Joseph Bonnaire(HP)is looking so green I can't believe it,the portlands are intact,Louise Odier is also undamaged.However,a lot of my modern roses look frozen to the ground.Oh,well,this just strengthened my resolve to grow mostly ancient roses.Sorry for the long boring lament.I mean post...
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#4 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
Jay-Jay
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Hint: You could have posted this as Your journal.
A lot of HMF visitors love to read member journals.
Your "lament isn't that far away from the topic, for Souvenir an Brod (one of my all times favorites) is sold as the rose You want.
Some of the photos for Lavallee seem to be that rose.
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#5 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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Thanks for suggesting a journal!I am a bit hesitant to post journals,as I'm only a beginner and I might be making a lot of mistakes that I don't see yet as mistakes.For instance,I used to feed my roses quite heavily in summer,with temperatures up to 40 degrees celsius.I have since learned that is a huge mistake,as roses go dormant at extreme temperatures(both hot and cold)and feeding them in such heat is only adding to the stress they're already suffering from;it makes them try to grow and flower at a time when they would rather not.I also killed half of my Mme Isaac by pruning it in late autumn.The laterals,being short thanks to me,froze and principals froze through the laterals.I will now replace my Isaac,as it looks painfully maimed.One of my most beautiful roses,if I say so myself.Took me two yrs to realize I should really replace it and stop being sad about it.
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#6 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
Jay-Jay
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Why replace? After the frosts are over, You can shape it as You like and get rid of the frozen parts. Than it will grow again with vigor and will look beautiful next year... Or is it beyond "repair"?
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#8 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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It looks butchered.A lot of principals have frozen last year and this winter,by what I've seen so far,has also done a bit of damage.It's also quite old,about 8yrs,and I find that older roses have limited regeneration power.If you want to,you can see pictures of the bush in all its former glory,I posted plenty of them this February in a fit of nostalgia.All is left of it are a few scrawny canes...I'll try to post an update-picture when it finally blooms this year.Thanks to you,I posted my first journal entry.
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#7 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
Jay-Jay
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PS: Despite what You wrote, Your garden and Your roses don't look as if You're a beginner!!!
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#9 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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You're too kind!But I am definitely a beginner with only 5yrs hands-on experience.I also make so many mistakes that I can't even begin to explain.I'm also very lucky in that my soil is very good and most of my roses get enough sun.This spring I've planted my very first albas and gallicas,roses that I've avoided till now because they only bloom once!Now I know better and I'm actually quite in love with them.Even though they haven't even bloomed yet!I have to wait till next spring as they bloom on old wood.
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#10 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
Jay-Jay
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You're welcome. You deserved that compliment!
Mistakes are made and necessary, to learn from, when one doesn't have a more experienced acquaintance to learn from.
I waited too quite a few years, before I dared to plant those old roses, but they are really rewarding.
In fact, before I started with roses, the only experience I had with them, was from my early youth... and some wisdom gathered from books.
A large vegetable garden I've almost always had, from the age of 8... Fruit-trees followed later (in abundance)
And now spring is starting, I enjoy the multiple colors of the new leaves and fragile sprouts.
Every new season I'm anxious about which rose will be the first and when that will be.
In the mean time I enjoy the contributions of our antipodes.
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#11 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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Wow!I have been wanting to grow fruit trees forever!But it's soooo intimidating I never start,writing it off as too complicated:spray for disease,treat for worms and other pests,pruning and shaping!!!I have a weakness for apricots,so I would naturally want to plant plenty of late apricot-trees,but I've read they read somewhat sensitive(to winds,to colds).As I have trouble finding tasty fruit in winter I would just as naturally want some winter apples and pears to last till spring.Ok my mouth is watering right now,I need to get off this topic...Anyway,good for you that you know how to grow so many things(I also love tomatoes but my attempts to grow them haven't been very successful...not to mention courgettes,sweet peas and yellow beans...snails kept eating my courgette plants and it took some time before I realized what was happening)it must be an immense joy to be able to grow your food!ps-do you keep chickens?I don't,but my grandmother used to and I have such fond memories of checking for the first hatchlings;they're so tiny!I loved feeding them hard-boiled eggs.
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#12 of 24 posted
22 MAR 18 by
Jay-Jay
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Did You read the description for my garden? I don't spray the fruittrees. I might have some spare very young grafted apple trees of one year old, that would do the trick. Maybe exchange? When interested send me a PM.
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#14 of 24 posted
23 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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I haven't,but I will read it now!Thank you so much for the exchange offer,but as I'm already overwhelmed by my roses,I really don't think I could handle fruit trees,particularly as I have no experience at all with them.Thank you so much for your support!
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One of my trips to Transylvania occurred in April. Two days before I arrived there was 30cm of snow everywhere. On my arrival the weather suddenly started to become sunny and hot and remained that way for two weeks. During this time all the apple and plum trees flowered as did lilacs and Forsythia and every tree suddenly burst into full leaf. Amazing for a person that is used to spring starting in February and winter still hanging around in May. The people I stayed with placed coffee jars over the top of rose cuttings to protect them over winter.
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#15 of 24 posted
23 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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The weather is becoming more and more chaotic,I'm afraid.In 2016 we had an early cold winter with temperatures finally reaching minus 18 degrees celsius and negatives for weeks even during the day.I thought I would lose all my roses,but they all survived with hardly any dieback.Now I know they made it because there were no buds on them.This winter was exceedingly mild,up to February,that is,by which time all my roses had sprouted plenty of buds.The frosts got to the canes through the tender buds and now I'm almost certain I'll have to prune most of them to the ground.Ironically,two of my cuttings have taken root!I put plastic bottles over them for protection and they made it.
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Apple trees grow very well in Romania and you could grow climbing rose into them.
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#17 of 24 posted
23 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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Very good idea!I'm trying to grow Paul's scarlet climber into a dead apricot tree and Chevy chase into a walnut tree;I guess apple trees would do just as well.
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I grow 'New Dawn' into a cut leafed Elder, Sambucus nigra f. laciniata, I like the combination very much.
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One of our Heritage Roses members plants Manchurian Pears to grow ramblers up. Safer than trying to grow them in a tree where you would want to pick the fruit...
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How well is 'Chevy Chase' growing under the walnut tree? Walnut leaves contain toxins to retard the growth of other plants growing beneath the tree's canopy. You are also supposed to hallucinate if you fall asleep under a walnut tree. A bunch of the leaves hung up will help to keep your kitchen free from flies.
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#21 of 24 posted
24 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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too early to tell,planted it in March 2016;a lot of my roses are sort of under the walnut trees-i have 2-and they seem to like the shade.the H.T.s not so much though...but i think it's the shade they mind,not the toxicity;people have suggested felling the walnut trees,but they provide the only spot of shade in the yard,it took them forever to grow,so l let them be.forgot to mention that we had armies of caterpillars last summer,they ate up all the fruit trees of my neighbors,and my poor very old summer apple tree;but,although they did attack them,they weren't too keen on the walnut tree leaves,because they're so bitter,so this is a plus for me:caterpillars seem to dislike them.
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#22 of 24 posted
24 MAR 18 by
Jay-Jay
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You might use a solution of Bacillus Thuringiensis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacillus_thuringiensis to naturally get rid of those caterpillars of Operophtera brumata and Erannis defoliaria. And You will be helped by the Great Titmouse. These caterpillars come and go: some years almost none to be found and other years it sounds as if it is raining, that much droppings of those caterpillars fall out of the trees. Those caterpillars like rose-leaves too is my experience. They even eat rose petals, just take a look at the photo Marnix took.
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#24 of 24 posted
24 MAR 18 by
perpetua
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Thank you!I know about this bacilus,but I only use it for roses;however,it usually rains after I spray,so it's all in vain!Yes,the caterpillars did attack the roses as well,but they didn't do much damage,maybe the other trees were tastier?I usually have the small thin kind-wonderfully green so you can't spot them-but last summer the yellow thick hairy ones went from the trees to the roses.My method of dealing with them was quite primitive,I just squashed them whenever I found them.The roses made it.
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#23 of 24 posted
24 MAR 18 by
Jay-Jay
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This photo: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.173432
Colored caterpillar-poo!
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