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Initial post today by Johno
Patricia: Are you able to confirm that the Lycoris in Mottisfont's North Garden, Bed 10 is a moss or a HG? The close up of the bud seems to suggest to me that it is a moss rose. There are only three photos showing in the HG, and they do not seem to match. I will reassign the photos if you you confirm the Mottisfont rose is a HG.
Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Patricia Routley
It is surely Lycoris (hybrid gallica, Unknown, pre 1838). The HelpMeFind listing for Mottisfont is showing this rose.
As well, I have a copy of David Stone's address at the 2016 Heritage Roses in Australia Mittagong conference (I think, but it wasn't labelled as such) wherein he said:
"From France came, among others, the Gallicas ‘Lycoris’ (Image) as well as the aptly-named ‘Belle sans Flatterie’ (Image). Also from France, I was pleased to re-introduce the Moss variety ‘Etna’ (Image) after many years of absence from both our gardens and plant catalogues"

the listing I have for Mottisfont must have been a gift from Billy West who visited Mottisfont in 2012, so it is about ten years old by now. Just the name 'Lycoris' is listed in Bed 10.
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Initial post today by veilchenblau
I grew Sweet Juliet in my garden in Tasmania for 20 years. It bloomed constantly from spring through autumn; was rarely without a bloom. It was disease free, got quite large (6ft tall and about as wide). I never fertilized it and rarely gave it any supplemental watering (even in the summer). I only pruned it very occasionally, to remove dead wood or when it was threatening to overtake its neighbours. Mostly I just left it alone.
Mine was effectively on "own root" - as I had buried the graft and it had happily reverted. I ended up with a "thicket" of juliets as the lower stems had taken root so there were multiple plants going on. So I'd say if you get a cutting of this one, it will form quite a well shaped and sizable bush.
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Initial post yesterday by veilchenblau
My favourite "pink". Wish that Austin roses would reintroduce this and Chianti. Even though they are spring flowering only they are well worth it. I had both Constance and Chianti side by side at my last house and they thrived on neglect and grew enormous. Everyone in our street commented on them in spring. And the fragrance as you walked down our driveway was a knock out.
Reply #1 of 4 posted yesterday by Duchesse
I was just looking up the parentage of Prospero, and found Chianti there. One of Prospero's other parents, The Knight, has also been discontinued and not recommended except for collectors. Shame, I'd have been tempted.
Reply #2 of 4 posted yesterday by veilchenblau
It's a shame they've discontinued so many of the older austins as I do really like them. They say the newer ones are more disease resistant, but I never had a problem with Chianti or Constance Spry. And the Pilgrim was problem free for me as well (and you can't get that here anymore either). I did have prospero as well and really liked it. I never had the knight, but with that parentage I'd be tempted too. I did find an Australian bred rose on the Ross Roses site, that I plan to order that looks really nice, St Francis Xavier. It has Francis Dubreuil and General Galieni listed as parents.
Reply #3 of 4 posted today by Margaret Furness
That's "Francis Dubreuil (in commerce as)";. The true Francis Dubreuil is currently thought to be lost. So SFX is half Tea, not a full Tea.
Like its seed parent, St Francis Xavier does better with afternoon shade - the Aus sun tends to burn dark reds.
Reply #4 of 4 posted today by veilchenblau
Thanks for that Margaret. I love (the rose currently known in commerce as) Francis Dubreuil! I'm ordering that one again too. I've got a patch near the back of the house that is protected from the afternoon sun for "burners and faders" I'm also putting in more shrubs/small trees for dappled shade here and there and for wind breaks. As we have really nasty dry gusty winds from that west that I think do even more damage than the sun. That wind can just frazzle everything.
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Initial post yesterday by flowerchild75 - Zone 6a Kansas City, MO
My Salita has always been troublesome. Very stiff, inflexible, extremely. I wonder if mine wouldn't be better off grown as a large shrub. Has been very difficult to train. Only puts out one bloom, or if I am lucky two, each bloom cycle. I have had non-stop issues with black spot almost since the minute I first put her in the ground. She is planted in full sun on the south side of my house. Have tried name it and I have tried it, but nothing has fazed the black spot one bit. Thinking of maybe gifting it to my neighbor. Maybe she'll have better luck with it. For me, she is a lot more trouble than she is worth. I do have to say though, the blooms are an extremely bright combo of orange and red mixed together, and the form is very nice, but the black spot is out-of-control and creates an eyesore, distracting from the one or two blooms at a time that she does have. Zone 6a.
Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by Duchesse
The plants sold as climbers should, I think, be labelled with the info on flexibility and diameter of canes. As a new rose grower myself (5 years) I have discovered Blossomtime and Queen Elizabeth to be beastly beauties. Have to catch the canes early to train, or forget it. I suppose the sellers dont much care about the end result as long as they sell plants, just lucky I have enough space for them to run wild if they want.
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