Grafted Hybrid Teas versus Own-Root Roses.

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Discussion id : 18-982 most recent 1 JUN 09 SHOW ALL

Initial post 22 MAY 07 by DriftingDude

Reply #1 of 11 posted 30 MAY 09 by Mylissa

Thanks, sorry I am late in being gracious... the spray works if you catch it before it takes hold.. otherwise you have to let it drop it's leaves and leaf out again... bummer!	REPLY

Reply #2 of 11 posted 30 MAY 09 by DriftingDude

It's ok....time does indeed fly....have a great day......	REPLY

Reply #3 of 11 posted 30 MAY 09 by Mylissa

What are some of your favorite roses you grow in NC. It's humid there right? What roses perform best and what are your favorite amendments?	REPLY

Reply #4 of 11 posted 30 MAY 09 by DriftingDude

Some of my favorite roses are: Old Blush,Butterfly rose, Old Rosemary (rugosa),Blanc Double, The Fairy Knock Out roses (red, yellow & pink), Westerland, Jude the Obsure, New Dawn etc. I use for fertilizer alfha (?) meal, bonemeal, epsom salts and cow manure. What are your favorite roses? Fertilizer?	REPLY

Reply #5 of 11 posted 31 MAY 09 by Mylissa

I love New Dawn... just planted it last year from a dumpster and it is loaded with buds... I am a zone 5 borderline 4b and I had Old Blush for 2 years and then it bit the dust (rescued it from WalMart and I ask them at that time why they were selling it HERE) ... the China's are not cold hardy but I love Old Blush. I love all the Rugosa's - Hansa (started from a cutting), Blanc Double de Coubert (2 of those) Rugosa Magnifica (similar to Hansa but more double), Wild Spice -(single white clove frag) a zone 6 Rugosa but it's doing great here, so far, Sir Thomas Lipton, FJ Grootendorst, Martin Frobisher, Therese Bugnet, gosh should I stop... I can't... Lovely Fairy (WOW, it's Killer hot pink) The Red Fairy, Old Pink Moss and Old Pink Damask that were rescued from abandon farm sites.
This year I purchased Darlow's Enigma, Marie Bugnet and Belle Povintene from High Country Roses, my favorite online nursery. Actually that's not all of my roses.. I think I have close to 50, last count... I use basically the same ammendments that you do... OH... Who is Old Rosemary and what zone? I have never heard of HER? Is that a nickname or is that HER real name? Love to hear more about that one... Susan Verrier of North Creek Farm in Phippsburg Maine is an author on Rugosas and a nursery owner... She has a website... please, tell me all about Old Rosemary....

Reply #6 of 11 posted 31 MAY 09 by DriftingDude

Old Blush does great here in the coastal south zone 8a/8b Old Rosemary is the nickname name of Roseraie De L Hay. One year in the ground and has suckered already! I forgot to mentioned I add compost to my mixture. I also have some carefree roses...sunshine..wonder..delight. My sunshine was loaded with blooms and ready to bloom again. Wonder has a pretty shape but no scent. I have the pink & white Fairy and on order the red Fairy.I've seen North Creek Farm's website but didn'tknow she wrote a book. I haeard I have to be careful of some rugosas because of the hot humid conditions here. I have some noisettes in pots to be planted this fall.

Reply #7 of 11 posted 31 MAY 09 by HMF supporting member

Cass

Old Rosemary=Roseraie de l'Hay? I love rose nicknames. I especially like Juan Desprez and can't call it anything else now.	REPLY

Reply #9 of 11 posted 31 MAY 09 by Mylissa

Actually, I love those nicknames also! You know in different parts of the country, the nicknames can be different for the same plants... It's almost as if the names were passed down from generation to generation!	REPLY

Reply #8 of 11 posted 31 MAY 09 by Mylissa

I am glad to know Old Rosemary's name because I have actually wanted that rose for a long time. Suzanne Verrier wrote Rosa Rugosa and was published by Firefly in 1999. The book was a gift and how I found out about Susan. I have several books or rose history, which is as intriguing to me as the plant. Of course I have two by Graham Stuart Thomas and my favorite is Cuttings from my Garden. Thomas talks about Nancy Lindsay a cigarette smoking rose treker who rescued roses in Iran and other parts of the world. Another favorite by a Texas author Thomas Christopher is In Search of Lost Roses. They are not boring reads... they are fabulous... Christopher is a hoot!
PS, I like compost too but have more of a tendency to build from the top. It seems that if you mix compost with the type of soil I have it creates a pot that won't drain in areas. I had the problem with the black gumbo in Texas so I learned to build from the top by each year adding another layer. Although Susan V. says that's how she ammends her rose holes and she has clay.
According to Susan, she notes in her book where humidity can cause cancker. The problem here in the Midwest for roses is we are having a bout with Rose Mosaic. At one time the govenment was going to introduce the disease to kill all the naturalized multi-floras but the concern was that it would spread to the other roses. I don't think they cared and did it anyway. I have lost two but the way I look at it is only the strong survive and you build strength with organic ammendments.
OMG-You have to get Lovely Fairy to add to your Fairy collection. She makes Knock Out look like a wallflower.

Reply #10 of 11 posted 1 JUN 09 by DriftingDude

Yes, with amendments each area different. When my red fairy rose arrives I will plant it in a pot until the fall. Our weather here is already 90 degrees. Too hot for for early June for us. Does the red fairy reblooom as often as the Knock Outs? TY for the book titles list. I'll check on those books later.	REPLY

Reply #11 of 11 posted 1 JUN 09 by Mylissa

It's usually hot here by now but we have had an exceptionally cool spring with nights being in the lower 50s and 70s by daytime and RAIN! This weekend was really the first heat we've had... it was 85 and humid. Rain coming again tonight and tomorrow.
The Red Fairy is quite the bloomer and mine is loaded with buds. Will probably pop this week. This is her third year. Of course with any plant adequate food and moisture is the key. I grow roses in pots also and then plant in the fall.
It was a great morning here. My grandaughter and I meandered the property and she had a handful of roses when we got back to the house. With all the rain we've had the roses are really showing off.
Yes, time to catch up on reading in the dead of winter or when it's so hot you can't breathe... I will be presenting an article to publish on this web soon. It's an essay and taken from a series of columns that I wrote for the county newspaper a few years ago. It's not a "how to" but a "why" if that makes any sense. I haven't submitted anything since 05 so I thought it was time.
Stay cool!

Discussion id : 16-800 most recent 30 MAY 09 SHOW ALL

Initial post 18 FEB 07 by Unregistered Guest

Reply #1 of 5 posted 30 MAY 09 by Mylissa

Yes, so to speak... it's another way of saying I am giving you the basics and a good start so now it's your turn to be beautiful and perform.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 5 posted 30 MAY 09 by Unregistered Guest

I remember posting that in 2007... it was just a tease... how are you, Mylissa? I still publish little newspapers in McKinney, it's interesting you responded NOW, 'cause I'm thinking of giving that up, it's changed so much here.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 5 posted 30 MAY 09 by Mylissa

Could it be none other than JS?	REPLY

Reply #4 of 5 posted 30 MAY 09 by Mylissa

How has it changed?	REPLY

Reply #5 of 5 posted 30 MAY 09 by Unregistered Guest

Yes, it's JS. Thousands more people living here, massive development on the west side of town. In 1995 the downtown was barely occupied, many buildings had gone unused for years and weren't up to code. Now the entire downtown has been renovated, very expensive to rent.

Started as McKinney Herald in 1994, I changed the name in 2000... It's just a art-project now, although I sill throw thousands of copies the old-fashioned way. There are screen shots of my front pages here...

http://collinmckinneytexas.blogspot.com/

Discussion id : 20-682 most recent 30 MAY 09 SHOW ALL

Initial post 2 AUG 07 by TABRIS

I am still evaluating own root vs grafted but I can say that own root can require a little more care at first until their root systems become established which takes 2-3 years. Then they are indistinguishable from grated roses. I like them because grafted roses are sold bare root in mail order catalogs and have a lower survival rate for me because I live in a dry climate. Own roots are shipped in small pots. I only buy grafted roses at nurseries in 5 gallon pots.

Reply #1 of 1 posted 30 MAY 09 by Mylissa

My last grafted rose, that I knew was grafted, was in a large pot and it was Joseph's Coat. It lasted one year and got a fungus in the graft... that was in Allen, Texas... I waived it's last rights and sent it straight to the brush pile, and then got hooked on own root. The temperate zone down there was 7 and I could grow all the own root early hybrid teas, and they were fab... up here it's too cold but I have other great choices...

Discussion id : 17-338 most recent 30 MAY 09 SHOW ALL

Initial post 16 MAR 07 by Unregistered Guest

I have rose bushes that look like they have gone to seed. The branches are thin and very long with no flowers on them. Not all of them have done this so I think I might have different varities planted together. I don't know what to do with these. Should I trim them all the way back to the stump, or pull them out and start over? Any help is appreciated. Thanks Dawn	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 30 MAY 09 by Mylissa

If you planted grafted roses, it could be that the top died and the host rose is growing back up out of the ground... I would get rid of them... most of the host grafts are the species multiflora which is on the noxious plant list (another reason not to plant grafted roses). If you did not plant grafted roses and some are long with no flowers it could be the variety like a hybrid musk or a climber/pillar rose. I would move them and watch them for a year. If they don't bloom it could be because they are once blooming and if you cut them back now you could interupt the bloom cycle and they won't bloom next year either. Different types of roses should be pruned at different times and in different ways. Climbing roses should only have the old wood removed each year and cut clear back to the ground level. This goes the same with ramblers and fountain type roses/hybrid musks. If they are one time spring/early summer bloomers, then prune them right after they bloom. (true with any spring blooming bush or shrub.) Everblooming roses should be pruned back after each flush depending on the heighth you want the bush. And quit pruning in early fall... if pruned too late in the fall it can cause more winter die back.