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Discussion id : 81-210
most recent 27 JUN 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 22 OCT 14 by Hardy
"The sixt kinde of Roses called Muske Roses, hath slender springs and shoots, the leaves and flowers be smaller than the other Roses, yet they grow up almost as high as the Damaske or Province Rose. The flowers be small and single, and sometimes double, of a white colour and pleasant savour, in proportion not much unlike the wild Roses, or Canell Roses...
The five first kinds of garden Roses do flower in May & June, & so do the wild Roses & the Eglentine : but the Muske Roses do flower in June, and againe in September, or thereabouts."

A New Herball (1543), by Rembert Dodoens, translated by Henrie Lyte, London printing of 1586, pp. 757-8
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 JUN 19 by CybeRose
Hardy,
This one from John Rea (1665) is not so old a reference, but he does mention that the leaves were "shining", which is not the case with what we have now.

Rosa moschata flore pleno
The double Musk Rose riseth very high with many green branches, and dark green shining leaves, armed with great sharp thorns, the flowers come forth on long foot-stalks at the ends of the branches, many together in a tuft, most of them flowering together, being small whitish or Cream-coloured Roses, not very double, the first row of leaves being much bigger than the rest, which are small, and stand loosly, not forming so fair a double flower as the ordinary white Rose. There is another of this kind that beareth single Roses, of much lesser esteem than this; the flowers of both are chiefly valued for their scent, which is sweet like unto Musk, from whence they took the name: commonly they flower in August, after all others are past, but their usual time is in September.

Two older notes:

John Gerard: The Herball, or, Generall Historie of Plantes (1597)
Single and double Muske Rose
"... divers branches: whereon do grow long leaves, smooth and shining, made up of leaves set upon a middle rib, like the other Roses."

John Parkinson: A Garden of Pleasant Flowers (1629)
18. Rosa Moschata simplex & multiplex.
The Muske Rose single and double.
"... having small darke greene leaves on them, not much bigger then the leaves of Eglantine: "

It is odd that in the 16th through 18th centuries, the Musk roses in England were autumnal with dark green, "shining" leaves. Thereafter, it seems, the whitish leaved types displaced the former, but retained the flowering habit.

ps. Herrmann (1762): "... dark-green, bright, smooth"
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Discussion id : 113-145
most recent 19 SEP 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 SEP 18 by JasonSims1984
This is a great rose. It is nice and bushy, and I just like it so much more than a lot of modern grafted roses. Mind you, a hardy, own root hybrid tea is a very special thing. Only a few perform well for me, and interestingly enough, Blue Girl and Blue Moon do very well, as do several Hybrid Perpetual and Moss roses and other OGRs. Purple is my favorite color and coincidentally purple roses grow well for me. My aesthetic is very species oriented, and once again, species grow well for me. So it may be a chicken or the egg situation. Maybe they do well for me because I like them a lot so I take better care of them, or maybe they are better growers for me so I have adopted a soft spot for them. Both sides of that equation are probably true.

I'm hoping to get a cross of moschata x rugosa this year to send to someone, and to keep for myself. Probably the closest thing to that in existence is the gootendorst roses. It would be nice to get a direct species cross to capitalize on fragrance, hardiness, remontancy, and disease resistance. I can see a lot of potential there.

I would love to recreate the damask as rugosa x moschata x fedtschenkoana. It would normally have gallica instead of rugosa, but gallica is a once bloomer. With rugosa in the cross, all parents would be rebloomers and that would mean a nice steady reblooming fragrant damask type rose with improved cold tolerance. A lot of people would say I'm basically wasting my time making such primitive crosses, but a nice perfected species cross with a clean bloodline free of disease sources would be a good starting point to base a hybridizing program. Some of the nicest roses are very simple.
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Discussion id : 91-330
most recent 6 MAR 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 MAR 16 by true-blue
Rosa moschata (syn.: m. var. R. nastarana), musk rose (Pers. nastaran), a climbing shrub, 10-12 m high, with white flowers growing in corymbs or cymes and rarely solitarily. This species is “at present only known in cultivation and [is] often naturalized in Southwest Asia, North Africa, and South Europe…. According to some authors, its country of origin is the Mediterranean [area], and according to others it is Iran” (Zieliński, p. 26). As nastaran-e širāz(i) “Shiraz musk rose,” it is cultivated in many places in Persia, particularly in Fārs, where the fragrant ʿaraq-e nastaran (musk rose distillate, see GOLĀB) is extracted and commercialized.

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/gol
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Discussion id : 87-705
most recent 6 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 SEP 15 by AquaEyes
Available from - Rose Petals Nursery
http://rosepetalsnursery.com/rose.php?pid=682&cid=4&rose=Graham%20Thomas%20Single%20Musk
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