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'Blackboy' rose Reviews & Comments
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13 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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11 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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Is there a gremlin in the system - why is 'Black Boy' now listed as introduced by 'Unknown(Australia)'?
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9 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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The following are the earliest articles & advertisements for Black Boy that I've found in AUS mainstream media. There was quite a price premium on plants offered in the 1st year (3/6 each, being reduced to 2/ the next year).
The first slightly muted criticism (thin petals) did not emerge until 1925, and then only in a small country newspaper! Then in 1928 a WA newspaper bravely noted that the blooms did not hold their shape well, when picked.
Nevertheless it was recommended (by the NRS of VIC) as 1 of the best climbing roses in 1927.
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Thanks Jane. We appreciate these early references.
The 1918 reference allows us to put 'Black Boy' back to 1918 from 1919 (and it was probably bred even before 1918).
For me the references that are most telling about 'Black Boy' are the 1933 reference which includes the sentence "the habit of drawing the tips of the petals rather closely into the bloom"; and the 1926 "Reminds of 'Bardou Job'. Here is my photo of 'Bardou Job' (left) with 'Black Boy' (right, in hand).
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11 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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To say the rose was bred in 1918 is quite misleading I believe. Numerous articles make very clear that Alister Clark typically trialled plants in his garden for a number of years prior to their release, and therefore the breeding date may be variable, but is certainly unknown to us.
Lorraine Lee is another example, in that she was released in 1924, yet blooms were first displayed under that name, at a public rose society function in 1922.
With these 2 roses alone, given the volume of plants produced in their first year of sale, he had clearly produced *huge* numbers of stock plants over several years to be able to meet those levels.
My understanding is that the date of introduction/release is the only pertinent date, and any other dates (esp in case of AC whose records were lost) is pure speculation, that can also cause confusion.
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9 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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and the final 2 articles:
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