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'Applejack' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 69-905
most recent 29 JAN 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 5 FEB 13 by a_carl76
It might be beneficial to add the name "Summer Pippen" this was a tentative name given to Applejack by Dr. Buck and he uses it in at least one American Rose Annual article he wrote. The article I am refering to is "Roses are Shrubs?" American Rose Annual 57:105-110 (1972).
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 6 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
The name 'Summer Pippen' has been added, along with that reference. I note from that reference the date could be put back from 1973 to 1962?
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 7 FEB 13 by a_carl76
Glad I could help. It was also nice to read that his two breeding seedlings were referenced and actually had identification numbers associated with them having these two seedlings identified will make it easier to identify closer related varieties.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 7 FEB 13 by RoseBlush
a_carl76.............

Did you know that you can do an ADVANCED SEARCH by cross in the HMF database ? Yup. It's easy.

1. Click on ADVANCED SEARCH
2. Click on LINEAGE
3. Click on SEED plant ? and enter the seed parent in the SEARCH field, click the radio button for the correct seed parent, then CONTINUE
4. Click on POLLEN plant ? and enter the pollen parent in the SEARCH field, click the radio button for the correct pollen parent, then CONTINUE

The cross should show in the ADVANCED SEARCH pop-up, then click CONTINUE and SEARCH.

The search results will give you all of the roses in the HMF database with that cross.

Even if we don't know the seedling identification number, you can find roses with the same cross, if it was disclosed in any REFERENCE.

You can even use the same ADVANCED SEARCH feature to see if a rose was used as either the seed parent or the pollen parent.

Thank you for supporting HMF.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 7 FEB 13 by a_carl76
Lynn, thank you for the information, you are always so helpful. I was aware of the feature and use it regularly.

I have to say, however, that having the seedling codes available for non-named/commercially releaced varieties is a very important piece of information. It allows us to determine actual siblings rather than mere cousins. When I figure out my breeding plans for the year, I like knowing that the same seedling was used in the creation of a particular variety (as opposed to several seedlings with the same parents) because it gives a little bit more strength to the my predictions. I usually go back 3 generations when I look at the lineage and when I see “seedling” listed as opposed to an actual name I am lead to different conclusions.

We see many varieties that have the same two parents (Mister Lincoln, Papa Meidiland, and Oklahoma being well known). All three are different enough to warrant different uses in breeding programs. While the seedlings from any of these three would be closely related, we would be able to determine which are actual siblings (those descended directly from Mr. Lincoln) and not mere cousins (those that are descended from Mr. Lincoln, Oklahoma, AND Papa Meidiland) if we know the named variety versus just the parentage.

Also, providing the seedling code would help hmf's search capabilities. By listing the seedling codes instead of just the parentage, a more consistent and thorough search may be conducted. Moore's 1-72-1 is a good example of this. When a descendant search is done on 1-72-1 (as opposed to Little Darling X Yellow Magic) we limit the search to just those directly descended. Unfortunately though, we miss those that are descended from 1-72-1 but only have the parentage listed on hmf(like Snow Twinkle). 1-72-1's sister seedling Rise 'n' Shine is known to give different results when used in breeding , so for a breeder, having the seedling code or name listed would be better than having just the parentage.

Finding Buck’s codes for his World’s Fair X Floradora (57185-1) and Morning Stars X Suzanne (55325-1) is good news for me. I can now distinguish these particular seedlings from other seedlings with the same cross. After all, 57185-1 would most likely be different than Herb Swim’s Embers and I would not expect to get the same results from these two plants. This is what hmf is all about.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 7 FEB 13 by RoseBlush
I agree.........

It's hard to please everyone when it comes to how to present information on a site like ours because it is used by people who are new to roses as well as those with a lot more experience.

Personally, I find the listing of the seedling number listed on the main page in the parentage section of little value because I have to take it a step further to find the cross of the seedling. Easy to do on HMF, but there you go. I don't breed roses and am not viewing the information in the same way. Others, like you, find it of great value because it saves them a step.

Knowing the lineage of a rose even helps those of us who are not breeding roses, select better roses for our gardens.

Thank you for your response.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 29 JAN 15 by styrax
To be honest with you, I didn't realize it up to now. Thanks.

How do you search for a rose that has 2 different parents in its bloodline that is not a direct cross?
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 7 FEB 13 by Jay-Jay
As a fruit- and apple minded person, I want to add that mostly the word Pippin is used instead of Pippen for a kind of (often russet) apples.
And from McGeek:
http://www.macgeek.org/museum/pippin/downloads/Apljk003.pdf
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 7 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
Dr. Buck used the spelling pippen all though his 1972 article. But the eventual naming of 'Applejack' shows he couldn't entirely get apples out of his mind.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 8 FEB 13 by Jay-Jay
Thank You Patricia.
Even namegiving isn't an easy job.
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Discussion id : 25-095
most recent 24 AUG 11 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 31 MAR 08 by bob diller
This rose is a real trooper. It is planted within a few feet of a crepe myrtle, gets only dappled sunlight and peforms just fine. It has a very pretty spicy smell and the simple semi double flowers give it a wild rose look which I find very appealing. If you have a natural habitat style area anywhere in your garden and are looking for a rose that would look at home, this one should be a strong candidate. I have an organic garden here in Richmond Virginia and Applejack stays disease free.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 24 AUG 11 by arvid jørgensen
My opinion exactly. My Applejack is also planted in dappled sunshine and it has been more or less constantly in bloom since it stared in early July, and I delight in the lovely flowers. It is also tolerant of the sometimes humid soil in this part of my garden, specially in the autumn and winter season. The summer season at Lista this year has been rather humid, but so far there is no sign of any disease, which is an additional highly appreciated quality.
Best regards Arvid
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Discussion id : 12-587
most recent 15 AUG 10 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 JUN 06 by NMrose

Be careful where you plant Applejack if you live outside Midwest zones. I remember this rose when I was a student at Iowa State in the early 70's, Dr Buck had his roses planted at various locations around campus. I can still remember the scent in the spring from Applejack-it grew about 3-4 feet high in Midwest.


I planted it in New Mexico on its own roots in 2000-was going to train on a pillar-now I have a 10-12' Monster that consumes every rose in the area. i now have to prune heavily to control it. Unbelievable scent in Spring -it does repeat here due to all the new canes it produces here.


 

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Reply #1 of 3 posted 2 AUG 10 by arvid jørgensen
Hi
I just planted my "Applejack" in early July. I do wish for it to grow like yours.
Best regards from Arvid
Lista, Norway.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 15 AUG 10 by York Rose
The huge number of new canes is probably a legacy of its Rosa laxa heritage. From what I've been told by a couple of people who have grown it, another rose with R. laxa in it, Isabella Skinner, also produces tons of new canes each year:

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.3416.1
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 15 AUG 10 by arvid jørgensen
May be Isabella Skinner then is another one I should try to get. I have heard about it. Canadian I presume. Now My Applejack is still small, but it seems to have a good repeatflowering ability so far.
Arvid.
P.S. I have just checked out Isabella Skinner on this website. Seems like the right rose for me. Now the only problem is how to get it.
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