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'Paul Neyron' rose Reviews & Comments
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I used to think that "Bishop's Lodge Sydney Linton" was 'Paul Neyron'.
I now think there are differences.
I have put pictures into the Helpmefind pages for "Bishop's Lodge Sydney Linton"
and also 'Paul Neyron'.
The pictures show my two plants, which are in a very tough spot but only two metres apart:
STIPULE. "Sydney Linton" stipule is much wider. 'Paul Neyron's stipule is narrower.
PRICKLES "Sydney Linton" has tiny prickles and glands. 'Paul Neyron' has glands only. But see also The Old Rose Advisor plate 114 which shows tiny prickles!
SEPALS. "Sydney Linton" has shorter sepals, 'Paul Neyron' has long leafy appendages. (However, more time and more blooms are needed to watch if this is typical).
PETALS. The petals and sepals on "Sydney Linton" are often fused, according to James Young and David Ruston in The Joy of Roses book, and see p135 for James' excellent photograph showing this trait. I have not noted this fused petal and sepal on my "Sydney Linton" to date, but have often seen it on my plant of 'Paul Neyron'.
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Patricia - have you had a chance to compare 'Paul Neyron' and "BL Sydney Linton" more closely? Are you convinced that they are different, or do you still think there's a chance they're the same?
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No.
Maybe.
Could be.
Sorry Billy, too many roses here to stop and carefully look lately.
They are a bit past it and not too much to look at right now but I still see the stipule differences I mentioned in my Jan 27, 2008 posting.
The differences in the tiny prickles and glands is not so evident.
My comment on the different sepals still stands. Have a look at my picture of the leafy sepals of 'Paul Neyron' taken on January 26, 2008
These tiny differences could be the result of different clones, but because mainly the sepal differences, I think 'Paul Neyron' and "Bishop's Lodge Sydney Linton" are two different roses.
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One of the early photos of BL Sydney Linton here shows a couple of sepal/petal fusions, so that one's not a differentiating factor. I don't know, either.
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How often do we look at sepals? They are so often obscured by the bloom. I've taken it for granted that roses usually have five sepals but last spring noticed that "Bishop's Lodge Sydney Linton" was consistently producing blooms with more - most often eight, but sevens were also common, as were blooms with sepals that had partially developed as a petal and looked like a petal fused with a sepal.
The traditional five sepal bloom was actually quite rare.
Others also noted this trait. Since then, I've been making a point to check the sepal numbers and it seems to be a consistent feature of the rose in other seasons as well - the photos uploaded this morning were taken in December 2009 (Summer) Perth, Western Australia.
So could anyone reading this post who grows "Bishop's Lodge Sydney Linton" check their plant from time to time for sepal numbers?
I'm also interested to know whether this is a common trait in certain Hybrid Perpetuals. Other HPs we grow in our home garden all have blooms with five sepals, but we don't have very many HPs.
A rosarian visiting from the USA suggested 'American Beauty' as a possible original identity for "Sydney Linton". To the best of my knowledge, 'American Beauty' is not listed in any nursery or collection in Australia and we have not been able to compare "Sydney Linton" with an authentic 'American Beauty', so I wondered whether anyone who grows 'American Beauty' could check the sepal numbers and compare the photos.
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When and how much do I prune a Paul Neyron rose? It is about 8 years old, but it is in an area that got overgrown and is in a weakened state. It still bloomed in 2007 but not as vigorous as before. This rose has one of the most beautiful blooms and fragrance I know of. Also, How can I propogate it? I have tried roottone with no success. Thank you....Denise Files
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Try the Q&A and Ezine search features to find a wealth of information about pruning.
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22 APR 07
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#1 of 2 posted
22 APR 07 by
 Cass
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Margaret, I can change the name to "Bishop's Lodge Sydney Linton ROR," if that is the correct study name. We have no intention of proliferating study names of found roses by adding an incorrect or shortened name to the database. Let us know! Thanks.
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Thanks Cass. A group of us (Patricia, Billy, Pat, Jane etc) are currently considering whether we should list all the foundlings we know on HMF, and how best to do it - should they be flagged as being Australian, should the ones from major rose sites be identified as such, how safe is it to be precise about locations. The Bishop's Lodge roses are usually prefaced by Bishop's Lodge here (or BL), and similarly Rookwood and Blakiston roses. It's not consistent in commerce though - you don't often see Blakiston in front of "Octavus Weld", or the "ROR" or even the correct spelling. Jane Isabella Linton is usually written (by old-rose people) as "Bishop's Lodge Jane Isabella ROR".
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#3 of 2 posted
23 APR 07 by
Cass
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I think it would be wonderful to get these up on HMF. The group should decide a naming convention. The first study name takes precedence; otherwise, chaos. I personally favor adding the long name but the ROR doesn't appeal to me.
HelpMeFind has all the resources you need for found roses: the ability to add the name of the discoverer, notes for details, photos. Would you please send me an email privately? Patricia, Pat and Billy all have my email address. We've hammered out some details about recording found rose information that might help you.
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