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Discussion id : 93-033
most recent 27 MAY 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 MAY 16 by CybeRose
Libro de Agricultura (Written in the 12th century)
Abu Zacaria Iahia aben Mohamed ben Ahmed Ebn el Awam, Sevillano
Trans. by Don Josef Antonio Banqueri (1802)

Chap 7, article 26, p 303
Segun Abu-el-Jair, hay rosales de diferentes colores, encarnado, blanco, leonado (ó amarillo), de color de lapislázuli (ó celeste), y de este mismo color por defuera, y leonado por dentro.
En el oriente hay rosas amarillas y celestes, una que tiene lo exterior de la hoja amarillo, y lo interior celeste; y otra con lo exterior de la misma celeste, y lo interior amarillo, cuya rosa es muy comun en Tripoli de Siria; y la otra amarilla se halla hácia las partes de Alexandria; las quales todas se cultivan de un mismo modo con corta diferencia.

[According to Abu-el-Jair, there are roses of different colors, pink, white, fawn (or yellow), color of Lapis (or blue), and the same color outside and inside tawny.
In the east there are yellow and blue roses, one having the outside of the petal yellow, and blue inside, and another with the same blue outside, and yellow inside, the rose is very common in Tripoli of Syria; and the other yellow is towards the parts of Alexandria; whick all are grown in the same way with little difference.]

The Latin "cerulea" (miniata; scarlet) was sometimes misread as "caerulea" (blue). This suggests that Abu-el-Jair had not seen the rose, but took his description from a Latin text.

Whether the scarlet color was inside or outside is a matter of perspective. Some English writers who certainly knew our R. foetida bicolor wrote that the flowers were red on the outside; others said the red was on the inside. And this implies that Abu-el-Jair took his information from at least two Latin texts written in the 12th century or earlier.
Discussion id : 93-031
most recent 27 MAY 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 MAY 16 by CybeRose
Plantarum seu stirpium historia (1576) p. 446
Lobel (Matthias de l'Obel, 1538-1616)
"Pares & cognatiores illis Luteas, cùm aliàs saepe vidimus Argiera Affricae ex Numidia, Galliae inquilinas factas: tum in Anglia consimiles, solerti manu in Genistae scapù insitas, unde colorem, odorem, viresque mutuantur novas. Est & iamdiu videre Caeruleae in hortis Italicis.”
[There is also long to see the blues in the gardens of Italy.]

The Latin "cerulea" (minium-colored, or scarlet) was sometimes misread as "caerulea" (blue). This is obviously what happened here, as there are no blue roses at all, let alone any that are similar to the yellows.
Discussion id : 42-776
most recent 3 JAN 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 FEB 10 by Unregistered Guest
has anyone ever come across a selection of this rose that's blackspot resistant?
Reply #1 of 6 posted 19 NOV 14 by Salix
Ironically, foetida itself isn't very susceptible to BS when well cared for- it is the descendants you have to look out for.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 2 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
I actually disagree. Both it and its mutation parent like... melt here. Literally, it spots so badly that it looks like the foliage is melting off of it. It looks... really bad :[ It begins in May and is over by the end of June. Our weather is essentially the exact opposite of where it is native.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 2 JAN 16 by Salix
Interesting! It is quite clean here!
Reply #4 of 6 posted 2 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
Which area? I have seen it clean and naturalized on the dry half (Eastern) of Idaho, which is outside of the major Pac. NW rain systems.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 3 JAN 16 by Salix
(More or less) Mid-Atlantic East Coast. Which is, thinking about it, even stranger.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 3 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
Well, there are many strains to most fungii. I know that my area is highly prone to 2 types of BS, but rarely prone to mildew types.
Discussion id : 52-905
most recent 16 MAR 11 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 16 MAR 11 by k~T~h o'Silicon Valley
Mar 2011 Austrian Copper is sold in NorCAL in Half Moon Bay at Pastorini's Nursery on the south side of highway <92> when heading west toward the ocean. It appears rangey & thorny, definitely a 'wild austrian' look to it; But it did have blooms on it that sunny September day in 2010.
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