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most recent 26 APR 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 APR 21 by Patricia Routley
I believe there are a few photos in ‘Barcelona’ which may belong in the “Francis Dubreuil (in commerce as)” file.
Could I ask you to look at Hillary Merrifield’s 2020 reference in either of these two files.
Barcelona (hybrid tea, Kordes, 1932)
"Francis Dubreuil (in commerce as)”
She sets out very clear differences between the two roses. I do not like to REASSIGN members photos, but this reference may allow you to reassign quite confidently any that are obvious.
Thank you StrawChicago Alkaline Clay 5A
Patricia
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 26 APR 21 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Mine is own-root, and my zone 5a kills roses to the crown every year, so each year the plant starts out as a tiny shoot, that's why the plant is so small. California folks who have Barcelona GRAFTED on Dr.Huey have lots of petals & bigger blooms & upright stems, but when these folks MAKE THEIR OWN-rootings, the rootings are tiny like mine. As to the fragrance, mine changes depending on the pH level. If I get horse manure at pH 8, it's clove-like & spicy as the article that you asked me to read refer to "true Barcelona". But if my tiny own-root gets tons of acidic rain, the scent changes to Damask/old rose & less spicy. There's a HUGE difference between own-root versus grafted rose. Like Jude the Obscure (grafted on Dr.Huey) have zillion petals (more than Golden Celebration). Saw that at rose park Jude was 7 feet tall, versus my Jude (own-root) is only 6 inch. tall, with much less petals and blooms at 1/2 size. There's a debate in Rose forum and Barcelona vs. Francis D. and folks who grow BOTH as own-root and grafted say they are the same, but the grafted has bigger blooms & more petals.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 26 APR 21 by Margaret Furness
So "Not Francis Dubreuil" is the same as "Not Barcelona"...
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