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Désirée Parmentier  rose photo courtesy of member Camieux
Discussion id : 154-079
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Initial post 21 NOV by Bug_girl
It is proliferation. I believe it is caused by fluctuations in temperature, but I'm not 100% certain.
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Initial post 26 MAY 20 by jedmar
This is called proliferation. Cells in the center of the rose are "malfunctioning" and producing new growth instead of the reproductive parts. The reason is not quite clear. There are many statements that a period of cold in spring can induce such growth, but this is not proven. Here is an explanation from the website of Apuldram Roses:

https://apuldramroses.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/rose-proliferation/

We have had it in our garden with 'Asta von Parpart' where 99 out of 100 blooms proliferated! There are reports of this phemonen since the 1760's, the rose called in England 'Childing Provence' (as it produces children) or 'Rosa provincialis prolifera'. Redouté painted a well-known picture of this rose:

http://rudolfshistorischer-rosen-park.blogspot.com/2013/07/spiele-de-natur-proliferation.html

I suspect that the gene structure of Centifolias has elements which encourages proliferation from time-to-time. Remember that also "moss" started on centifolias. With centifolias then being hybridized into further classes, this tendency apparently got distributed further. It is relatively seldom with repeating roses, and only with the first flush.

What to do? Some break off the proliferated buds so that the strength of the rose is not lost on "deformed blooms". With once-blooming roses, this may of course mean that you loose that year's bloom. The reports I have seen are that usually the following year's bloom has no proliferation. We did part part, left some as curiosity and broke off others.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 26 MAY 20 by Camieux
Jedmar,
Thank you so much for your explanation. I understand now. Your response was much more helpful than anything I found online.
Sorry for the confusion with the photos. Sometimes this website is hard to navigate.
I think I am going to cut all the blooms off. There was a rose nearby that had Rose Rosette and I thought this might be a cause, but the blooms look much different than RRD. It is a pity as Desiree Parmentier is really beautiful when it blooms “correctly”.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 14 JUN by Camieux
Jedmar,
I am very happy to tell you that my Desire de Parmentier bloomed without proliferation this year! It did quite well and I almost didn’t recognize it as it had so many blooms. It is still young, but I am happy to know that the proliferation wasn’t a death knell. We had a mild winter, no snow, so it is quite possible that a cold winter preceding bloom could have caused the abnormalities. Thank you again for your help. I hope you are having a wonderful rose season. We did here, despite a prolonged drought that ended yesterday.
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