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'Apothecary's Rose' Reviews & Comments
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Rosa provincialis Mill. is synonymum for Rosa gallica L. ´Officinalis´ or Rosa gallica var. officinalis Ser., used by Krüssmann (1978, III., page 250), proven in France since 1310.
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I am under the impression that province roses are centifolias and that provins roses are gallicas.
In Timber Press’ 1981 revised edition of Krussman’s 1974 book on page 77 under R. centifolia L. Krussman lists:
1629 In Parkinson, it is Red Province.
1733 Miller (for the first time?) changes “Province” into "Provence” and also gives it the Latin name of Rosa provincialis.
1753 Linnaeus gave it the name Rosa centifolia which has been retained.
1768 Miller describes the “Cabbage Rose” under the name of Rosa provincialis or Provence Rose since he regarded Linnaeus’ diagnosis (1753 & 1762) as unsatisfactory; his designation was accepted by a number of contemporary authorities.
1820 Lindley cleared up Miller’s mistake and from this point on the “Cabbage Rose” has been classified as Rosa centifolia, in accordance with Linnaeus.
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#2 of 3 posted
10 NOV 12 by
 jedmar
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Krüssmann is outdated:
- Dodoens (1557) lists the "3rd rose species" as Rose de Province / Provinsche Rosen / Leibfarbige Rosen (i.e. flesh-coloured roses).
- Tabernaemontana (1591) divides these into Rosa provincialis major and Rosa provincialis minor. Gerard in 1597 calls the former Province or Damask Rose / R. provincialis sive (or) damascena / Provencie Roose / R. incarnata / Leibfarbige Roose; the latter Lesser Damask Rose / R. provincialis minor. He also introduces the Holland or Province Rose / R. Hollandica sive (or) Batava / great Holland Rose / great Province Rose.
- Clusius (1601) calls this last "Centifolia Batavica"
- Parkinson (1629) has Rosa provincialis sive damascena / great double Holland or Damask rose / Centifolia Batavica incarnata, as well as Red Province /R. provincialis rubra / Batavica Centifolia rubra. Also: Damask Province Rose.
Centifolia is therefore a subset of what the early authors called the Province / Provincialis / Damask "species".
Coming to Gallicas:
- Dodoens (1557) divides these into 2 species: Rosa rubra / R. purpurea , and the darker Tuscany-type Roses brunatre de Provins / Roses de Provins / Provinsch Roses.
- the darker type becomes Rosa holosericea in Lobelius (1591), Velvet Rose in Tabernaemontana and Velvet rose / R holosericea / deep purple Province Rose in Gerard.
- the red (deep pink) Gallica is the 2nd race in Tabernaemontana: Roth Rose / R. rubra / R. Milesia / R. purpurae
- Gerard's 2nd race is red rose / R. rubra / Rose Franche / Rose de Provins.
- Rosenberg (1628) calls these, among other names, R. Gallis Provincialis
Our Gallicas descend not only from the "Provins"-type, but also from the darker "holosericea / Province" section, which would have been a Gallica/Damask hybrid.
The later confusion arised because Provins was set equal to Province, and Lindley's lumping together of Centifolia with Provincialis, Damascena with Belgica.
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Jedmar, we are so lucky to have you.
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I've bought this Rose (see photo's) at nursery "De Zeeuwse Rozentuin" as Rosa Gallica Officinalis. But I doubt it is that rose. The plant is too high: > 2m. The flowers have too many petals and the colour doesn't match!
Does some-one have a hunch?
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For what's it worth, there is a rose rather similar to this one in the public rose garden in the Ohlsdorf cemetery here in Hamburg that's also labelled "Officinalis" and that confusingly doesn't look like my own Apothekerrose or the photographs in my rose books or here at HMF either. I can go back and bring pictures of this other rose, see if it's the same as yours ...
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#2 of 8 posted
16 JUN 12 by
Jay-Jay
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Thank You for Your help! Someone (HMF-Member Marnix) suggested that it possibly might be Tuscany.
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This is my case. Obviously not the same rose as yours, but probably also a Gallica and certainly not Officinalis as the label states. What might this be?
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#4 of 8 posted
17 JUN 12 by
Jay-Jay
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Maybe Tuscany Superb? (a hunch of mine, but I don't know)
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At least fairly similar, although most photos for Tuscany Superb here at HMF show a rather simpler, more open and less bluish flower, possibly also with less petals than this one; and leaves that are both more serrated and more pointed. The buds are really similar though.
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#6 of 8 posted
18 JUN 12 by
Jay-Jay
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I got a message after a while from the nursery, that provided me this rose. they explained there was made a mistake/a mix-up when dug out of storage! It is the Tuscany rose (not Superb!)
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Interesting. Especially since it takes one a while to find out. But at least understandable that leaveless plants in a storage can be confused. For a public rose garden to mislabel a rose they actually see blossom each year is less understandable.
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#8 of 8 posted
18 JUN 12 by
Jay-Jay
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Vielleicht daß Sie dies beim Vorstand des öffentlichen Parks/Ohlsdorfer Friedhofs melden?
Maybe, you might tell the responsible person at the cemetary/park.
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In Dutch this rose is called "De Apothekersroos".
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25 FEB 04 by
Unregistered Guest
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I was wondering about the history behind the Apothecary's Rose and how it got it's name.
I am assuming that it was used medicinally in the middle ages. Does anyone have any information ?
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That is very well documented in numerous rose books. At the risk of being not completely accurate however I'll rip off a quick reply. Barbara Wilde in her book "Growing Roses Organically" says early pharmacists valued it because its petals held their fragrance well when dried. "Taylor Guide to Roses" by Nancy J Ondra says that it has been cultivated since prior to 1600 for use in medicines and perfumes. "Impressionist Rose" by Derek Fell says that the roses cultivation goes back to the 17th century when it was grown by apothecary's as a source of a fragrant oil. And Finally Botanica's Roses says its the oldest rose cultivated in Europe and has been used for medicinal purpose since that time.
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The oil has had long folk-use for tension headache, and
I do find that this works; the scent of roses is a well-tested relaxant. All parts of any rose plant, but particularly the old species like this, are high in bioflavonoids, which makes them useful to women in menopause and to people with diabetic retinopathy.
And the hips are good sources of vitamin C.
Try a heaping Tbsp. of petals or one or two whole fresh blooms from an old rose like this, added to a 4- to 6-cup pot of good tea after it's steeped for a minute or so (the fragrance and flavor of the roses are best if they don't get doused with water that's still boiling, though it's pretty decent even if they do.) Covering the pot after the roses go in will help keep the volatile oils in the tea.
Or steep dried petals or whole blossoms in honey for
a month or two, or add a single drop of real (not synthetic!) rose oil to a large jar of honey. It's fabulous, though the oil version probably won't have the bioflavonoid content the blossom version does.
BTW, you can buy petals of _Rosa gallica officinalis_
at most any health or wholefood store that sells bulk herbs, usually just as red rose buds or petals. (The pink ones are often _Rosa centifolia_.)
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