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'Souvenir de la Malmaison, Cl.' rose Reviews & Comments
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9 JAN 10 by
Jimmy
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Question:
Will SDLM ball if I spray the blooms with a product that controls thrips? Most of my roses require spraying to control thrips, otherwise the spring flush will be ruined.
Thanks in advance
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You could have a balling problem if the spray you're using is an EC (emulsifiable concentrate). These always carry strong surfactants to spread the chemical which can also penetrate thin tissue, like rose petals, which can cause balling. This can be true of "summer oil" sprays, too. Go carefully. Spray in the morning on cooler, dry and cloudy days.
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Does anyone have any more on the Australian or English origin of Souvenir de la Malmaison Climbing?
SOUVENIR DE LA MALMAISON CL.
Bennett, UK 1893.
1894-5 C. F. Newman & Sons., 17 Rundle St., Adelaide. Catalogue. (Adelaide Bot Gdns-1; Pat Toolan-2;)
p181-1-11 [This entry is in a larger typeface than surrounding roses.] Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison – A climbing sport from the old Rose Souvenir de la Malmaison; one of the best of Roses, the flowers being identified with the good old Rose.
1894. Robert Rattray’s Rosebank Nursery, Ballarat, Vic. Catalogue (photocopy from BW Jan 24, 06)
p10-8 Souvenir de la Malmaison. A sport from the well known old Bourbon of the same name. A rampant climber, and free blooming when established; covers more space in a given time than any other variety.
1897 G. Brunning & Sons, St. Kilda Nurseries. (photocopy from Billy of Noelene’s 1/12/03 cat)
p55 Climbing Souvenir de Malmaison [sic] This is a climbing sport from the old Souvenir de la Malmaison, one of the best roses, the flowers being identical with that good old variety; we obtained it from one of our Sydney friends, where we believe it originated.
1897. Anderson & Co. Nursery, Sydney, NSW (photocopy from BW Jan 24, 06)
p3-8 Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison. Ed[illegible] blush, deeper in centre.
1900. George Austen & Co. Nursery, Sydney, NSW - catalogue (photocopy from BW Jan 24, 06)
p3-2 Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison – A sport from the well-known dwarf variety; a free bloomer and rampant climber.
1903 D. R. Hunter & Son, Sydney. Catalogue
p63-2 Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison. A climbing sport from the well known old Souvenir, flowers exactly like it, a most vigorous climber.
1905. C. F. Newman & Son, Perth, WA - catalogue 1905
p152 Climbing Souvenir de Malmaison. This is a climbing sport from the old Souvenir de la Malmaison, one of the best roses, the flowers being identical with that good old variety.
1985. The Rose. R.N.R.S. September.
P21. Graham Stuart Thomas. ....the date given for the naming or introduction of Souvenir de la Malmaison is 1843. This is a Bourbon rose, descended from a Bourbon, and at the time was the largest, fullest rose in this group, though later surpassed in 1880 by ‘Madame Isaac Pereire’. Moreover, in spite of its age it is a stalwart bushy plant, reaching about 4-5 ft (1.2 – 1.5m) high and wide. The foliage is good and broad and the production of the great blooms is continuous from June onwards, they are of a delicate blush-pink. Unfortunately it is not often seen; the climbing sport, which originated in Australia in 1893, is much more common but only flowers at mid-summer and again in September; it is a coarse growing plant and not really worth garden room. On a wall it will reach 10-12 ft (3.3 – 3.6m). Both forms have a peculiar, faint fragrance.
1994. G. S. Thomas “The Graham Stuart Thomas Rose Book”
p137. Souvenir de la Malmaison Climbing. Bennett, UK, 1893. ...............
2000. Brent C. Dickerson “Roll Call: The Old Rose Breeder”
p25. Hernry Bennett, Location: Salisbury, England , and Manor Farm Nursery, Shepperton, Stapleford England.
P26. 1893. Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison. B.
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23 JUL 08 by
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You'll have to wait for the release of my book.
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The Brisbane Courier 11 May 1892
The old favourite rose, Souvenir de la Malmaison, has been grown by Mr. L. Summerlin as a climber, and one of the beautiful blush white flowers has been forwarded to us proof of his success. The specimen was a large, full bloom, with very delicate scent.
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The Brisbane Courier 10 August 1892
SEEDS. PLANTS.
L. SUMMERLIN & CO.,
GEORGE-STREET,
ROSES.-100 Specimens of Maréchal Niel in pots, strong, 2s. each. The new climbing
Malmaison, 3s. 6d. each. Also a good collection of Tea Roses. 2s. each, strong.
BOOK-Macaboy's Roses 1994?
Page 190
The Rose in the Southern Hemisphere
Quote "For a long time the traffic in roses was one way, from North (hemisphere)to South (hemisphere).
Then the climbing sport of Souvenir de la Malmaison,for many years more popular than the original bush, was discovered in a Sydney garden in 1893 and sent in triumph to Europe."
It seems conclusive to me that the one that originated in Queensland, in the Nursery of L.Summerlin, in 1892 was the first (and only?) climbing sport.
I don't have any idea where Macoboy obtained his information but it seems likely to me that the rose found its way from Queensland to Sydney-and probably from Queensland to England?
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That 1892 date sounds very good, Sandie. At the very least, we can put the date of the climber back a year from 1893 to 1892. The wording "grown by Mr. Summerlin" worries me in that it may not perhaps be proof of his discovery of the sport, but could mean that his plant actually came from Charles Bennett's Sydney nursery. What we should try and find is Summerlin's Seed Catalogue and Amateurs' Guide for 1891 and also Charles Bennett's 1891 Practical Treatise on the Culture of the Rose to see if there are any further clues in either publication. I'll ask my Queensland librarian friends.
I wonder what the significance of the 1874 date is in Paul's 1910 reference "Climbing Malmaison introduced between 1874 and 1902".
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I've put a bit of history about Summerlin in Helpmefind's nursery section.
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Those wonderful Queensland librarians have come good. [Thank you Barb and Anne].
They have a very fragile copy of Summerlins' 1891 catalogue, but there is
no mention of 'Souvenir de la Malmaison Climbing'. However, Summerlins do say they got 100 roses from Brunnings - in Victoria [see 1891 ref]. And if you see the 1897 ref, Brunnings say they got Souvenir de la Malmaison Climbing from Sydney.
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21 MAR 06 by
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hello, I need some suggestion: which could be a good association with this rose?
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Dan,
We're not sure what you are asking here, could you rephrase your question maybe.
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11 APR 07 by
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do you mean companion planting? I would say yellow daffodils, and some blue irises would make a nice companionship for this rose.
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