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Discussion id : 109-136
most recent 9 MAR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 MAR by CybeRose
Gardener's Monthly and Horticulturist volume 22, no. 264, page 362 (Dec 1880)
CUT FLOWER TRADE-HYBRIDS
BY W. E. MEEHAN PHII.A , PA.
There has been much difficulty experienced by the growers in raising Hybrid roses for the cut flower market; and thus far with the single exception of Gen. Jacqueminot, all efforts have been almost a total failure.

Paul Neron is grown to a limited extent, and could it be put on the market at a reasonable figure would probably be one of the favorites, as its large size, noble form, and peculiar soft rosy red color make it very attractive. A rose, however, that in February can hardly be sold under two dollars each, retail, will scarcely find more than a limited number of purchasers.

There are other hybrids that can be forced with more or less ease, but there is always something defective in the flower, either that it does not form a good bud, or that its color is wrong r undecided, or some such cause.

Gen. Jacqueminot, however, to those that have been lucky in raising it, has been a little "mine," so to speak, and has probably been the best paying of all the fancy roses.

Professionally speaking, "Jack" rose is not in the market much before February, although a few may be had as early as December. These are aptly called "bastards," being poor, miserable, scrubby little things. Poor as they are, however, they are worth about forty dollars per hundred then.

Although this price seems enormous for such a poor article, one grower who had one house especially for December forcing, assured me that the season before he had lost twenty cents on every bud he sold, and he having a superior stock received fifty dollars a hundred for them. He continued forcing early because it gave him a lead in the market, and enabled him to command a higher price for his other goods.

A single crop of Jacks lasts about two weeks and a house will yield a couple of crops, one in February and a second in April.

The fluctuation in the price of Jacks is startling and terrifying to the oldest hand. I have known a rise or a fall of twenty dollars a hundred in a single day. Last season the average scale of prices in Philadelphia was about as follows to May 1st:--

Feb. 1st half, per hundred, $60
2nd half " " 45
March 1st week, " 35
2nd " 30
3d " 20
4th " 35
April 1st "15
2nd " 12
3d " 20
4th " 25

During this time, of course, there were many violent changes—the highest figure that was reached in that time was sixty-five dollars, and lowest six dollars per hundred.

The average retail price was fifty cents a bud, although they have sold as high as a dollar, each.

A "Jack" bouquet is worth from fifteen to thirty dollars. It is used alone, or in combination with Niel, Cook, or Lily of the Valley.

A bouquet, the centre formed of Niels, or one of one side Niels and one side Jacks, were the favorites last winter. A Jack bouquet is generally trimmed with ribbon to match the color of the bud.

Over a thousand Jacks were used in Philadelphia recently on one occasion by one firm. The buds having a good stiff figure in the market at the time.

Jacqueminot is a second of the three roses, the price of which is always kept up, for the same reason that M. Niel is held stiff by the retail florist.

Jacqueminot was first introduced to the public in Boston, where it at once created a furore that has not yet subsided.
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Discussion id : 90-932
most recent 17 FEB 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 FEB 16 by true-blue
For ease of referencing I have separated the paragraphs.
The author discusses two HPs the first being Géant des Batailles.

Hazel Le Rougetel - A Heritage of Roses, 1988 p.63-4

The 2nd 'Général Jacqueminot', was introduced in 1853 and described ten year later by David Hay of Auckland as 'most brilliant, crimson, scarlet, even surpassing Géant des Batailles, the best in this class'.
Eighteen year later, Henderson of New York, emphasized, 'This is now the most fashionable of all roses, or winter flowers' and thought that probably 200,000 sq. ft (18,580 sq. m) of greenhouses were devoted exclusively to its growth in the vicinity of New York for the purpose of forcing it.
Still the praise continued: B. A. Elliott & Co., Plantsmen of Pittsburgh had 'never had better success with Hybrid Perpetuals than in last summer and autumn; one bed of Jacqueminots containing a hundred plants gave us quantities of bloom daily from June to September' (A Few Flowers Worthy of General Culture, Pittsburgh, 1899).

Finally, forty years after introduction, T. B. Jenkins added his applause:

In 1853 France gave us Général Jacqueminot, leader of the Hybrid Perpetuals, the grand, dark crimson rose, so sturdy in growth, rich in bloom and powerful in colour. The great half grown crimson buds have slept on the bosom of every belle since that day and they have been sold by the hundred for as many dollars to New York dealers and were retailed, no doubt, for twice that sum. A few days before one Christmas the only Jacqueminot buds to be found in the city were sold for $15 each or eight times their weight in gold.
Roses and Rose Culture, Rochester, N.Y. (1892)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 17 FEB 16 by Patricia Routley
Thank you. Reference added.
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Discussion id : 60-961
most recent 29 NOV 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 JAN 12 by goncmg
If you want to grow an easy rose from seed, this is the one in my experiences. You can just throw the seed in the soil, no chilling, nothing, and pretty much immediately as if it was a zinnia and not a rose, up they come, popcorn, huge germ %. And some end up being once-blooming but many bloom right away----they are never very good---but sometimes it is just about the experience and again, you want an easy one to see what a rose is like from seed, this is a good bet.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 15 JAN 12 by HMF Admin
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience with the HMF community !
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 29 NOV 15 by Salix
It is important to note that only roses without species from temperate to artic enviroments in their near ancestry will sprout without chilling- rugosas, gallicas, damasks, and hybrid laxas (for example) won't sprout, but Chinas, hybrids banksias, HT, Teas, and most Noisettes will.
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Discussion id : 80-432
most recent 9 SEP 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 SEP 14 by CybeRose
Gardeners’ Chronicle (Feb 11, 1888) p. 168

Gloire de Rosamène.—This may be regarded, I think, as having a great deal to do with the brilliant coloured Roses belong to the H.P. class, Général Jacqueminot is generally considered to have been a seedling from this, and although at times it is hardly double enough—partaking in this respect too much of the character of its parent—yet there are times when it stands out above all the high-coloured Roses; and although forty years and more have elapsed since it was first sent out, it has more than once lately run an extremely close race for the medal for the best Rose in the show. The General has also been the parent, evidently, of many of our high-coloured Roses, so that, if for this reason only, Gloire de Rosamène ought to find a place in the rosarian’s garden; but as a pillar Rose it is very beautiful, being brilliant in colour and very free flowering.
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