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Michael Garhart
most recent 7 days ago HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 days ago by Michael Garhart
McGredy states unknown, but I would hazard a guess its a hybrid of 'Never'.
most recent 24 NOV HIDE POSTS
Initial post 23 NOV by Michael Garhart
So not Katharina? Hard to tell, even with great pics.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 24 NOV by Margaret Furness
Katharina has fallen off the nursery lists in Aus, so it's hard to find one to compare.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 24 NOV by Patricia Routley
I feel that ‘Katharina Zeimet’ bloom size may be a little larger than “Beryl Turner’s Tiny White” and have asked for sizes from members.
My main thought is that in most members photos ‘Katharina Zeimet’ shows more of a center darkness from the stamens than does “Beryl Turner’s Tiny White”.
most recent 21 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 2 AUG by Michael Garhart
Most of Meilland codes ending with "sar" are climbing mutations. Only a few exceptions (Papa Meilland is one). So the likelihood of the unknown portion of the lineage of Polka is probably a climbing sport of a known rose. There have been known to be translation errors in Meilland codes over the decades, and Meilland has used Cl. Bettina (MEIpalsar) for other climbers, so its suspect to me at this point.

Edit: I did searching for no reason. The answer is right here in the US Patent:

"The female parent (i.e., the seed parent) was the product of the pollination of the Meipalsar variety (non-patented in the United States) and the Golden Showers variety (U.S. Plant Pat. No. 1,557). The male parent (i.e., the pollen parent) of the new variety was the Light Konigin Lucia variety (non-patented in the United States). The parentage of the new variety can be summarized as follows:

(Meipalsar×Golden Showers)×Licht Konigin Lucia."
Reply #1 of 6 posted 19 NOV by Jay-Jay
The parentage is shown on the description page, but there is written Meipaisar instead of Meipalsar. Maybe a typo or forgotten to put glasses on?
Reply #2 of 6 posted 19 NOV by Patricia Routley
Definitely forgot the glasses. Now fixed. Many thanks to you both.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 20 NOV by Michael Garhart

I just noticed a typo for Cl. Bettina. It says 'Mepalsar', instead of 'Meipalsar', so the lineage for Polka isnt connecting.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 20 NOV by Jay-Jay
Extracted from:

Botanische naam: Rosa 'Meipalsar' (Climbing Bettina)
Geslacht: Rosa
Groep: Trosbloemige Klimmer Groep (Klimroos)
Synoniemen: Rosa Climbing Bettina , Rosa 'Grimpant Bettina' , Rosa 'Mepalsar'
Familie: Rosaceae (Rozenfamilie)

I wrote to Meilland too via their contact-form, which name is the right-one for Bettina Cl.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 20 NOV by Alain Meilland
The orignal variety is BETTINA® Mepal (without the i of Mei)
The Climber mutation of BETTINA® Mepal was registered under the varietal name Meipalsar (with the i of Mei)
Don't ask me why, I wasn't born ;)
Best regards
Matthias Meilland
Reply #6 of 6 posted 21 NOV by Patricia Routley
Thank you Matthias.
most recent 19 NOV HIDE POSTS
Initial post 19 NOV by Michael Garhart
Frida Kahlo, or no???
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