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MelissaPej
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This note may explain why the Musk roses were said to be strictly late bloomers (August, September). Being cut back nearly to the ground seems to be a good way to delay the flowering, and possibly to increase the display.
The Compleat Florist (2nd ed. 1706) Louis Liger d'Auxerre
Of the Rosa Moschata, alias Damask-Roses. Your Damask Rose-Tree, requires a good Kitchin-Garden-Ground, a hot Sun, and frequent watering. One Advantage it has, that 'tis not afraid of Cold, and yields Flowers several Months in the Year.
The Rules of Gardening injoin us in every Autumn and Spring, to cut the old Branches of the Damask-Rose Tree to within Half a Foot of the Ground, that the Eyes which there remain may give Rise to many new Branches, which being unexhausted, will produce Roses in very great abundance.
We propagate this Species by the Sucker, which sprout from it, and which being planted in a fresh Place, readily take Root, and in a little time become pretty Shrubs.
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I don't know whether someone else has already commented on this elsewhere. I have a mature R. moschata, planted around 2010 and left to grow. Once it got going, which took a few years, it went up and up, getting support as it got larger as its growth is lax, and has now reached the dimensions of a moderate climber. It has never gotten much pruning, just occasional light removal of aged growth, and has never been cut back hard in its life, but it blooms the latest of all my roses. This year it came into flower this month, July, and I think that's usual. (In comparison, this year the Teas began flowering in April, and the once-blooming roses, Gallicas and Co., in May.) It does well in our climate in the Italian hills, with mild temperatures, summer heat and drought, good annual water, historically around one meter annually, though recent years may be drier. It gets no supplementary water and blooms well nonetheless. A couple of comments about the observations in 'The Compleat Florist': hard pruning at the right time of year likely would keep the plant shrubby, and also likely cause the plant to require more water for regrowth. My unpruned plant blooms tolerably well, but I'm not fussy about these things. Also, my plant, own root, has not so far suckered out.
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15 JUL by
jedmar
It seems to me that in 1706 they sometimes called our R. damascena as R. moschata. We do not prune our R. moschata either. It grows high into an apple tree. Flowering season in Switzerland is August-September
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I got this as cuttings from a friend, along with 'Ayrshire Splendens' and 'Ayrshire Queen'. The latter two as found in commerce appear to be identical, as has come up in HMF discussion on these varieties, 'Ayrshire Splendens' having been substituted for 'Ayrshire Queen'. So far so good. But I also don't see any difference between my 'Venusta Pendula' and 'Ayrshire Splendens'. Are they two distinct varieties? I note particularly the dark growth, thorniness, flexible canes, pink-touched white buds, and strong myrrh fragrance. I would like to hear from anyone who can tell me of differences between these two varieties. Thanks!
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The rose I've received as 'Venusta Pendula' does have somewhat the same coloring to 'Splendens', but does not have any myrrh scent. That is probably a good way to separate them, although there may be other differentiating characteristics.
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'William Lobb' must really love northern Italy. Like Ms. Piccinini I live in the province of Piacenza, and have a fine plant of this variety, though not quite as large and wonderful as hers. It's working on it! My plant is in part shade and is caged, part of it growing through an arbor-vitae, making a tall, arching moderate climber. Rose bloom this year is in general good, and 'William Lobb's flowers are large, shapely, and definitely purple. I wonder if it wouldn't make a good moderate purple climber for people who have trouble growing Multiflora ramblers (which is my case). I have three plants of this variety--it roots easily from cuttings, by the way--and the one that's doing far the best is in a relatively cool, moist spot, with some shade. The soil is heavy gray clay.
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Agree with all this, especially 'Mme. Antoine Mari's capacity for growth. My plant, grown with some support, is about 2m x 2m. Like many Teas, 'Mme. Antoine Mari', if given support, will simply extend its canes and keep on going, though it hasn't shown signs of turning into a major climber as I've seen other Teas do. A most beautiful rose and very obliging.
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