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most recent 22 MAY 11 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 24 MAY 08 by Cass
Does anyone have any experience growing Mermaid in USDA Zone 6 or lower, where winter temperatures are 0℉/-18℃ or colder?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 25 MAY 08 by digger
A friend got one a few years ago and it didn't survive the first winter. Care for it was less than top notch that year (almost neglected) and it wasn't protected in winter. It was planted where it was exposed to prevailing wind. Cards were stacked against it but that is the only Mermaid I know of grown here in Montana, zone 4/5.

Dave
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 25 MAY 08 by Cass
Thanks! I suspect that Zone 5 listed by a vendor is wishful thinking. I'm interested in anyone's experience trying to keep Mermaid alive and blooming in the colder zones. Alive and not blooming doesn't count.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 25 MAY 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Mermaid is extremely good at coming back from the roots. I'll bet if someone could get it through the first Winter or two it would survive just fine.

Of course getting it to flower might be another story.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 22 MAY 11 by anonymous-684890
Mine was growing on own roots near the foundation of my house, and came back for 3 years and flowered. Shelburne, Vermont, Zone 4/5. It never got really big, so I dug it up this year and moved it to my parents' garden in NJ.
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most recent 23 MAR 11 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 18 MAR 07 by HanfordRose
I have grown more than 2,500 varieties of rose, and this is one of my top 3 roses ever. It is in a 3 way tie for the best rose that I have ever grown.

I grew this rose longer than any person in the world, because I owned the original plant for many years, before I finally decided to introduce it as the last letter of the Dee Bennett alphabet of roses. I saved the best for last.

This is a perfect rose, gorgeous color, form and foliage on a huge (about 3 x 3 foot bush) that make non-stop bouquets of flowers. This is a great rose for garden display and for harvest cut flowers for the house or the trophy table. I have never seen disease on any plant of this rose.

If I could only have 3 roses, this would be one of them.
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 19 MAR 07 by digger
Sue forced me to get this rose in 2001. Ultimate Pleasure took a few years to get established in zone 4/5. It has become everything she promised and a little more.

Dave
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 18 FEB 10 by Leslie Davis
I was looking for more info on this today, I have to measure mine it's closer to 5x5, I had to put square tomato cages around it last summer, it was a runaway. Sprinklers were knocking the rose bloom heavy canes down.
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Great, now that you've turned me on to UP, I see that the shut down NorEast was the only source. Do you think that Burlington in Visalia will have it? Are you in the Hanford next door.
Anything with Gene Boerner as a mommy or daddy has got to be great. I don't even like coral but I love that rose!
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 18 MAY 10 by Sue Curry
I now live in the high desert community of Silver Springs, Nevada...far from Visalia. Greenheart (aka Nor'East) is still around. They are now wholesale only, but they may be able to recommend a source. I am sure that Ultimate Pleasure was not just stopped as a production plant for them. Call Greenheart and ask for help in locating a plant. They might still be able to help you.
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
THANKS FOR THE TIP. I am going to check out Vislalia's Burlington Rose Nursery, which is owned by a former Ralph Moore colleague the next time I visit my brother in Porterville. I think Greehheart listed them as an outlet for their stock.
What do you think of Always a Lady and Little Carol? I locared AAL from Johns Roses but I fear Lil Carol maybe unavailable.
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 18 MAY 10 by Sue Curry
As for Always A Lady and Little Carol, I love them both and have in my garden here. Always A Lady will stay about knee as rule and make a bounty of fragrant, lavender blooms. Little Carol will make a MUCH LARGER plant, even 5 to 6 feet tall. It is NOT A CLIMBER; it is just a magnificent, generous bush which makes for a great hedge or background rose. The blooms are mini flora size and deep pink. The flowers are heavily-petaled and last a long time on the plant for a superior garden display.

Mom named this rose for my oldest friend. Little Carol and I have been friends for almost 61 years. She is only 4 foot 7 inches, and her namesake rose is one of the biggest roses that Mom ever created. That's why it has a big spot in my garden to fill. Give it at least 4 feet of growing ground.
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
OMG! You are the GREAT Dee Bennett's kid! My best friend used to go to Tiny Petals Nursey all the time in 90s. Sometimes he would pick up orders for me. He had even relayed that story you just mentioned about LIL CAROL's short namesake, because I loved the rose so much. Did you work in the nursery? I think he mentioned that he had met her daughter and son-in-law. I had both AAL and Lil Carol (my fave!) for years, but gave them away in 2002. I had to get rid of 85 roses on order from the City of LA, because I had planted them in the parking strip. They claimed it had become a traffic hazzard.
I used to visit a beautiful mini nursey in Yorba Linda owned by Laurie Chapin a lot too. I loved her roses a lot, but even she agreed that your Mom was the maestro! My sister in law in Silver Lake is gonna die when she finds out you emailed me. She has about 10 or more Bennett minis (but not AAL and LC, dammit).
I will take your tips even more to heart now considering your level of espertise!
Thank you so much.
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 19 MAY 10 by Sue Curry
Yes. I am 'the GREAT' Dee Bennett's oldest girl. Mom left our family home and Tiny Petals Nursery to me, when she passed away in 1987, along with all of her remaining test roses. That was quite a responsibility. I spent the next 15 years working in the nursery and introducing her wonderful test roses, including some of Mom's finest, like Irresistible, Ultimate Pleasure, Yantai, Kay Denise...and so many more.

That's why I wanted to get as many of Mom's rose in the ground at my home in Nevada as possible, before Greenheart went totally wholesale. My garden here will never be as grand as my big garden in California, but it is a constant joy to know that some of these roses still are near by. I will be lucky to see blooms for even 3 months in this high desert valley, but Mom's roses are the hardiest I could grow in this awful climate. They came through summer heat and a long, freezing winter with NO PROTECTION at all. I didn't lose a single one, which more than I can say for the big roses.

By the way, my name is Sue Curry. I used to be Sue O'Brien. For some reason, I can't seem to log in on HMF with my name anymore. If you want to contact me away from HMF, my e-mail is xxxxxxxx@yahoo.com.


[HMF ed - Sue, we x'd out your email address as you're sure to get spammed by including it in your message text and it's not needed not that you're able to sign on using your original account.]
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 19 MAY 10 by HanfordRose
Hurray! I finally got logged on with my HMF screen name. I don't have to be anonymous anymore.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 23 MAR 11 by Leslie Davis
Hate to tell you Sue, but Always A Lady hit 5' tall now. She likes the heat and now fully mature, stays slim but tall, about 3=1/2' wide:) Thanks for the roses! All of them with the exception of My Sunshine are stellar tall minis, I have to keep telling people they're minis. mini refers to the bloom not the rose, lol*
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most recent 30 DEC 10 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 24 FEB 09 by digger
Granada was a terrible mildew magnet the first few years it was planted in our yard. It didn't get powdery mildew as bad once it got established (year 4?). Washing foliage has kept it clean the last 4 years. Granada is planted in the garden and gets pretty big by the end of season now, 6 feet tall x 5+ feet wide.

Dave
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 24 FEB 09 by Seil
Thanks Dave, good to know that it may outgrow it's mildew tendency. I really love this rose for it's bright colors and that very different foliage. It did so well last season and impressed me with how much it bloomed.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 24 FEB 09 by digger
I don't want to mislead. Granada will still get pm pretty bad if neglected. I just don't rate it as terrible any more. I considered getting rid of Granada those first few years it was so bad. I'm glad Deb prevailed back then. I do rate the fragrance among my favorite 5 scents. I would miss having the gaudy thing in the yard.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 29 DEC 10 by Dave Bang
If you want to get rid of powdery mildew and have more blooms at the same time you can use "pure flower" by HYGROCORP. Its organic and requires 1.5 teaspoon per gallon of water. I personally add one ounce of skim milk per gallon of water. The milk acts as a surfactant meaning it will spread the pure flower over the foliage rather than bead on the leaf and roll off. If you have a rose that is relatively good with mildew you can spray once a month if you have a rose that is a magnet for mildew spray once every two weeks and you will be mildew free. It is better to spray before you see signs of mildew. Pure flower leaves no residue. It is totally clear. See the results below with Black Baccara a mildew magnet.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 29 DEC 10 by Seil
Thanks, Dave! That's good to know about. I'm always looking for new and better ways to combat diseases. I've used a home brew that contains milk powder before and it wasn't very effective. But maybe with the pure flower it would be.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 30 DEC 10 by Dave Bang
I am not sure about powdered milk but I believe skim milk has some beneficial bacteria that helps a little with mildew but the pure flower is a big help. For milk to work as a mildew killer you need to use 10-12 ounces per gallon. Far to much milk for me to go this route. I just use 1 ounce of milk per gallon of water as a wetting agent. I read a note from Dave and Deb Boyd from Montana and it stated that if they sprayed the foliage with water two times a week they controlled mildew. I concur with this idea. It is important to point out that I spray my roses once a week with nutrient solutions. So that may account for clean foliage. One week earth juice microblast half strength, next week half strength liquid seaweed kelp, next week pure flower full strength 1.5 teaspoon/gal water, next week liquid iron half strength, next week half strength B-1. Next week Pure flower again. Then I repeat the list again which I believe most of these products they recommend that you spray once every 3-4 weeks so it works out perfect. All of these spray sessions you need to add 1 ounce of milk per gallon of water. So if you spray with 15 gallons you use 15 ounces of milk. I have 400 roses so a power sprayer with high capacity turns an all day job into two hours. After adopting this method I have not had any occurences of rust or black spot. Be careful not to over fertilize by adding other fertilizers to the soil as well. Keep track of your delution rates and adjust accordingly if you want to add to the soil as well. The only product I add to the soil every three months is 8 ounces of alfalfa pellets.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 30 DEC 10 by Landperson
Dave, can you tell me/us what kind of a sprayer you find works best for the kind of spraying you are describing?
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 30 DEC 10 by Dave Bang
Sure, I bought mine from a place called Gardenland in Campbell, California. It is a 15 gallon with a cart to drag it around the yard and a 12volt car battery. It was about 400 dollars for everything. You can get them cheaper. Do a web search for northern tool. When you get to the site type the keyword search of 26810 or just scroll down and look for the text sprayers. That is a good example of something very similar to mine, but you will have to buy a battery to power it and cart that you can get for $85 at Ace los gatos hardware in los gatos ca so you can pull it through the yard. For people reading this out of california you will have to search your own city for something similar. You could go real cheap and just buy the sprayer for $130 and buy a car battery and you would be good to go. You will just need to carry the sprayer assembly (15 pounds) to the middle of your yard empty of water of course and buy a 50-75 foot hose or whatever length for your yard size. This way you wont need to pull the whole assembly around. So the spray stays fixed and you walk around the yard with the sprayer hose.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 30 DEC 10 by Landperson
Excellent. The idea of having some power for spraying had never occurred to me, and....I definitely like it. Many thanks (from me and from the roses).
Susan
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most recent 15 DEC 10 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 31 JAN 07 by Anonymous-102305
I know that they say this rose has a light fragrance but my plant has more of a moderate fragrance. I really like the scent this rose has, fruity.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 1 FEB 07 by digger
I rate fragrance of CM as better than slight, almost moderate. Deb says it is moderate. We like the fragrance too.

Dave
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 1 FEB 07 by Anonymous-102305
This is one of my favorite type of scents for a rose. I tend to like the fruity scents better than the old rose or tea scents.
I'm glad that I am not the only one that has this as a moderates scent. Now I know I'm not crazy;)
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 2 FEB 07 by digger
We have several that aren't supposed to be very fragrant but are for us. I noticed you have Rio Samba. Our Rio Samba's fragrance is as strong as any of our Gamble Award winners. I just smile when people say it can't be that fragrant. The one that really upsets some is Ingrid Bergman. Ingrid has a nice moderate fragrance in this area. I've checked dozens of them in other gardens. There are those that refuse to believe she can have any fragrance.

Dave
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 18 DEC 08 by taddyd
The ULTIMATE ROSE BOOK states that Catherine Kordes has NO scent and expressed surprise that she spawned the magnificently scented Chrystler Imperial, Mr. Lincoln, Oklahoma, Crimson Glory chain. My Catherine Kordes IS moderate to strong in the perfume dept. Likewise the rose literature has stated how the weakly scented Garden Party parented the super strong Double Delight, yet my Garden Party frequently smells just like a slightly milder version of. Double Delight
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 14 APR 09 by digger
Our Garden Party has an almost strong fragrance too. It isn't a stinker but there is no chance it won't be noticed.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 15 DEC 10 by Penelope
My GP smells great as well. Extremely sweet, like sugar. One of my husband's favorites for scent.
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