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kai-eric
most recent 25 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 SEP 15 by John Hook
Tea roses in Australia to 1975. Anlaby 1900 -1922. pink with fawn (Gloire de Bordeaux)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 25 SEP 15 by kai-eric
good news!
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most recent 4 AUG 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 4 JUN 15 by AquaEyes
I happened upon this found Tea via the facebook page for "Roses Anciennes -- Vintage Roses", which seems to bear some resemblance to another found rose here in the US. Please compare to "Thomasville Old Told". Thoughts?

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.6257.0

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 4 AUG 15 by kai-eric
so many varieties can look similar. unfortunally, we are lacking better pictures and detailled descriptions of this one.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 4 AUG 15 by AquaEyes
On an antique roses forum, this thread was posted about an unidentified rose in Spain. The found rose "Isabella Ducrot" was also mentioned as a possibility. It would be very interesting to compare the various "sunset-colored" Teas like these, and 'Clementina Carbonieri', and 'Isabella Nabonnand', etc. I'd wager that there's a duplicate somewhere among them.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1605176/identify-this?n=46

:-)

~Christopher
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most recent 30 JUL 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 JUL 15 by kai-eric
beautiful but almost not 'fürst bismarck' which is said to be golden yellow.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 30 JUL 15 by Charles Quest-Ritson
I suspect that all the plants of this cultivar now in existence trace back to the plants at Europa-Rosarium, Sangerhausen. The colouring of the individual flowers is very variable, but I have no reason to doubt that both pictures uploaded to HMF are correctly named. We tend to describe colours rather loosely, and the roses that are marked as 'golden yellow' are often rather more yellow than golden. The colour of 'Fürst Bismarck' is very similar to that of 'Gloire de Dijon', and just as variable. Incidentally, I believe that 'Fürst Bismarck' is a selfed seedling of 'Gloire de Dijon' (there is a record of it being crossed with 'Comtesse d'Oxford') and not, as some German authorities (e.g. Jäger) maintain, either a sport of 'Gloire de Dijon' or a synonym for 'Belle Lyonnaise'.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 30 JUL 15 by Gartenjockels kleine gaerten
thank you much for your gentle estimation!
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Initial post 21 JUL 15 by kai-eric
recently i did review all the pictures of le parré's flowers showing as a rule various infusions of coppery and apricot tints and thus cannot agree with some meanings about it to be 'belle de bordeaux' which is said having mostly silvery-pink flowers - none of the sources pointing out any coppery hue.
who can help it out?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 28 JUL 15 by billy teabag
How does "Le Parré" compare with what we know as 'Elie Beauvilian' Kai-Eric?
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 28 JUL 15 by kai-eric
at first sight they show great similarities but the devil is in the details - flowers of le parré seem more consistent then those of elie beauvilain, wood is heavier, growth stouter than what i remember of elie beauvilain that i have lost in 2012. better asking john about them.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 29 JUL 15 by billy teabag
Thanks Kai-Eric - I should have checked earlier comments (and read the front page!) before commenting as I see this has already been discussed quite a lot.
Would love to see this rose in person.
Looking through the photos last night, I was reminded of our "Mr Williams' [not] Gloire de Dijon" which also shows that range of colour, bud shape and inflorescences.
But the list of Dijon Teas I have never seen is very long and there must be many similar-looking surviving seedlings as well.
We have wondered whether "Mr Williams' [not] Gloire de Dijon" might have been a chance seedling that sprang up under the parent plant and survived it, as Mr Williams was so adamant that the rose his mother planted was' Gloire de Dijon'.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 29 JUL 15 by Patricia Routley
I would discount the "chance seedling" theory Billy as I gathered this same rose in from wide-spread old properties in the south west of Western Australia.
1997 "Mr. Williams, Bridgetown"
1999 "Mrs. Sambell, Dinninup"
2001 "Ruth Maguire, via Rose Marsh, Kojonup"
They are all the same rose.

I also saw it growing Mary Clifton's 'Alverstoke' property at Brunswick, WA
and at Gregg and Phillip's garden in California.
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