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'Félicité et Perpétue' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 110-172
most recent 23 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 23 APR by Andrew from Dolton
The profile description mentions growing this rose in a hanging basket. Perhaps it is too big for that maybe 'Little White Pet' would be better instead.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 APR by Patricia Routley
My suspicions fall on somebody's finger falling on the words "hanging basket", which is right alongside "hedge", when entering data. Thanks Andrew. Now corrected.
Discussion id : 96-099
most recent 2 DEC 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 29 NOV 16 by happymaryellen
I just planted two of these next to a fence one week ago. I'm kind of sending in this note so I remember when I did it. Hoping for a positive you.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 DEC 16 by jedmar
Read the pruning advice of Nancy Steen ("The Charm of Old Roses" - 1967) if you want to find your fence again in two-years' time!
Reply #2 of 2 posted 2 DEC 16 by happymaryellen
Thank you!
Discussion id : 90-160
most recent 18 JAN 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 JAN 16 by Tomartyr
I think the description of this rose as having "up to 40 petals" is almost certainly incorrect. Botanica's Roses describes it as "very double" and The American Rose Society's Encyclopedia of Roses as "brimming with petals". There are other, similar, descriptions in publications listed in the references section for this rose. My rose, which I believe I have now positively identified as 'Felicite et Perpetue' has 80+ petals. This being the case, there are several images in the photo section for this rose which are likely to have been incorrectly identified - their petals are much less numerous.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 6 JAN 16 by Patricia Routley
The references show various degrees of fullness: double 1880; well double 1914 1938; full 1838 1848 and 1873; very double 1847 1976, and fully double 1993. Bunyard's 1936 and Jedmar's 1890 illustrations are also quite full. I am inclined to agree with you that it should have more than 40 petals and have changed it to Very Full 41+ petals.
However there is a slight niggle in that AmiRoses illustration does not appear to be all that full.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 6 JAN 16 by Ophrys26
Henri-Antoine Jacques dedicated this rose to his daughters, Félicité and Perpétue (Felicity and Perpetua, so named in homage to the Christian martyrs who were martyred and put to death at Carthage during the 3rd century)
Reply #3 of 5 posted 15 JAN 16 by hannes
"It has been suggested since 1900 that Jacques named this rose after his own twin daughters, but so far I have found noo proof of twins, nor of children with these names. Anyway most French historians would find it out of keeping for the Head Gardener at that period to name a rose after his own family, considering that all the other ramblers were given Royal names."
(Barbara Tchertoff, "Antoine Jaques – Head Gardener to Louis-Philippe" Part 1, page 30, in: ‘Historic Rose Journal’ No. 20, Autumn 2000)
Reply #4 of 5 posted 16 JAN 16 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Hannes. A most interesting reference.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 18 JAN 16 by Tomartyr
Fallacies abound in the naming of roses. A British nursery markets Pemberton's 'Cornelia', 'Felicia' and 'Penelope' as 'The Vicar's daughters collection', claiming the varieties to be named after the breeder's three daughters. The Rev Pemberton lived his entire life in his ancestral family home, almost all of it with his spinster sister!
Discussion id : 71-509
most recent 9 MAY 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 9 MAY 13 by CybeRose
The Cottage Gardener 112-113 (Nov 20, 1851)
Hardy Climbing Roses: Evergreens
Donald Beaton

The best of all this class is unquestionably Felicite Perpetuelle, or Perpetue, as some call it, because every other free-growing Rose will grow on it by budding. If I had a castle to cover round and round with all manner of Roses, I would guarantee that I could flower the Malmaison Rose on the highest pinnacle of it by means of this one climber, and the way I would go to work would be this: I would plant young plants of this climber at nine, ten, or twelve feet apart, according to the height of the building, and to guard against suckers. I would have the plants from strong cuttings made in October and November, and all the eyes picked out of them except the two top ones,—the cuttings being six inches long, there would be at least four inches of clear stem between the roots and the first branches, and that would be quite sufficient to keep down suckers from where they are most apt to grow. Supposing the two eyes to grow, I would give them their own free will the first year, and perhaps some manure water into the bargain, if the summer was dry. At the end of October I would cut them down to ten inches, leaving three or four buds on each for shoots to begin to bud on. I would bud the strongest sorts near the bottom, and would leave some shoots unbudded every season until the top was reached. On them, and near the top, I would bud the more dwarf sorts. In this way a whole collection of Perpetuals might easily be established, at little cost, on one kind of climber, or on half-a-dozen of them if it was preferred, such as I shall name presently; a shoot here and there of the climbers themselves would be left to make a greater variety of flower;
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