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This is such a glorious rose! I wish there was a source for it. Paul Barden why isn't this for sale?!?
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yesterday by
Ian F
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Parentage is Angel Face mixed with a unknown rose as per Brad Jalbert.
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Guildford Nurseries, Ethel Street, Guildford, was owned by Charles Rhodes. (see 1939 advertisement photo uploaded today in “Red Ethel”. )
It is feasible that they may have stocked Alister Clark’s ‘Lady Rhodes’ <1933 rose. Does anybody have access to any of Guildford Nurseries catalogues?
‘Lady Rhodes’ was said to be of moderate height, short stems, and a lasting bloom.
However, the colour was said to be “between red and pink” and “scarlet, passing to crimson carmine” with 60 petals.
How many petals does “Red Ethel" have?
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#1 of 6 posted
yesterday by
 HubertG
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A quick look at Trove says that he was also Mayor of Guildford and was involved in judging rose exhibitions. One article mentions that 'Billy Boiler' grew at the nursery so it's very likely that he sold other Clark roses. I'm wondering if he might have been family to Mrs. Clark.
From the Perth 'Mirror' 7 June 1930 page 5:
"Roses there are by the hundred from the old time Gloir de Dijon and Marechal Ney [sic] to the new and perhaps more fashionable varieties. There is a grand new scarlet rose, Billy Boiler, which flowers all the year round. But space forbids telling of all the horticultural wonders."
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Thanks HubertG.
Alister Clark was born in 1864, so any contemporary may have been Charles Rhodes Sr.
Charles Cecil Rhodes born c1898. was the nursery owner.
His mother's name was Frances Rhodes and it was his father, also Charles Rhodes who was the Mayor. The family's address was 7 Olive Street, Guildford.
From the website Guildfordanzacs:
Rhodes became a noted horticulturalist in WA . He later developed extensive commercial rose gardens in Ethel Street and and another nursery in Market Street, Guildford. Rhodes wrote articles for the West Australian and was noted rosarian. C.C. Rhodes' father was a noted civic figure and was a Mayor of Guildford.
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You can visit the property 'Otahuna' owned by Alister Clark's brother-in-law in the south island of NZ (where I stranded a hire car on a rock - Patricia would remember the Heritage Rose roadtrip in the region).
(Edited to remove an error.)
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With great clarity Margaret. I recall swearing OUT ALOUD when you hit the rock and I was sitting in the back with Milton Nurse.
I think I have found a births/deaths/ marriages connection to Arthur Rhodes who was Alister Clark's brother-in-law. (brother to Edith Clark (nee Rhodes) and the lawyer for the Clark family.
However, it is my first time at this stuff and I am getting bamboozled a bit. Take the following with some salt for the moment.
Arthur RHODES married
Annie Elizabeth JOY
Their child was
Annie Elizabeth RHODES (c1868-1936) aged 68 who died in Middle Swan, W.A.
Charles Rhodes [Sr,] (c1898-1948) married
Frances ….. (....-1953).
Their child was:
Charles Cecil Rhodes [Jr.] (c1898-1987) aged 89. Died at Boya, W.A.
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Looking at 'The Women behind the Roses', by the Govanstones (Rosenberg 2010).
Arthur Heaton Rhodes and Sophia Circuit Rhodes of 'Elmwood', Christchurch, NZ had 6 children.
Edith Rhodes married Alister Clark in 1888.
Heaton Rhodes married Alister's sister Jessie Clark.
The contemporary baritone Teddy Tahu Rhodes may come from a different line, as his ancestors added the name Tahu (a Maori word meaning 'to set on fire') to theirs soon after arrival in NZ (early 1840s). But someone more competent in tracing families is welcome to correct me.
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HubertG
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Regarding any possible connection between Mrs Clark and Charles Rhodes - both trees seem to have been fairly well researched and are online and although both their Rhodes lines ultimately go back to Yorkshire, I can't see any connection between the two families going back to the early 18th century at least.
Charles Rhodes (1874 -1948) was a Fellow of the Royal Horticultural Society according to the newspapers, so considering that and his surname it's still possible that Alister Clark knew of him, and it would be nice to think that he sent roses over to him. Upon being appointed Mayor of Guildford in 1921 Charles Rhodes tendered his resignation as inspector for the Agricultural Department of the Swan district. Both he and his son Charles Cecil Rhodes are listed as "Nurseryman"at the same address in the 1931 Swan Electoral roll.
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Second year update: This spring has been a disaster for Chios. Every single bloom from the spring flush has balled or been bull-nosed, and the plant is a mildew factory. I have been spraying weekly with a milk/potassium bicarbonate solution to try to keep it under control, but the mildew seems tenacious on this one.
I really thought a rose from a Greek island would have done better than this here in another Mediterranean island. Weather this spring has been rather less rainy than normal, although still humid air, but again I didn't think air humidity would be a problem for a rose from a Greek island.
I will continue to hope for an improvement since Chios is so lovely when it's good.
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Hello, greek here as well, im in crete. This rose is my best performer. The leaves are spotless, and its full of buds. Some are about to bloom, might even be open tomorrow. Now, I didnt know what balling is, and I searched it, some of these symptoms do appear, so im kind of worried now. Some of the outer petals on the blooms are brownish, thats the main symptom im seeing in my plant.
But I think itll be fine, ill post pictures if they opens tomorrow or whenever they open. I will also comment here again and inform you about what's going on.
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I hope Chios is doing well for you.
One year later she's absolutely wonderful here in Malta. I guess 2023 was just a bad year for her, and also perhaps a bit my fault.
This time I didn't prune her as hard as before, and made sure to give her LOTS of water, and she has been perfect.
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