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Initial post yesterday by Cambridgelad
Bred by Ernest H. Morse. His father, Henry, had died in 1938.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Patricia Routley
Thank you.
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Initial post 12 MAR 19 by Margaret Furness
I wonder if the Grafin or her family gave permission for "her" rose to be re-named for a horse. Or if they were asked.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 12 MAR 19 by HubertG
Lol, I don't how rights for renaming roses for other countries work, but I do prefer the name 'Black Caviar' to the original German one.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 12 MAR 19 by Margaret Furness
I looked up the Grafin on g**gle - think she deserved a rose more than the horse did. Unless you won lots of money on it!
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 12 MAR 19 by HubertG
True, she did. However, Black Caviar is still easier to say.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted yesterday by veilchenblau
It seems to be a marketing "thing". When they introduce a rose into a new country (or re-patent) they choose a name that they think will have local/current appeal. Carmen Wurth is another one, that is now "Adorable" (she deserved to keep her rose too, IMHO). Artemis is now "Sweet Child of mine' and I can't keep up with all the names that "Dark Desire" has had. my two cents worth is that they should just leave the names alone.
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Initial post yesterday by veilchenblau
In my garden this is not a particularly dark red rose. The buds and outer petals are dark, but once fully open it's a bright crimson. Might be my soil. Sandy.
It's also a heck of a burner, not just the outer petals and buds, but the foliage as well. I will have to move it to part shade. But unfortunately have found it a "baller" as well. It just doesn't like the rain. So, I have been hesitant to move it to part shade as suspect it will just increase its propensity to ball. But with how "burny" it is I feel I need to give it a shot.
when it does open properly it does have a really lovely quartered form.
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Initial post yesterday by Margaret Furness
I wonder if the label had moved. The shape and the persistent sepals don't match other photos on file, or what I see on my plant.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted yesterday by Andrew from Dolton
Mine has larger, more rounded and fewer hips in each bunch.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
R. eglanteria ?
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