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Initial post today by Bug_girl
I received a miss-labeled rose that looks just like this one. The size is accurate, it blooms through triple-digit heat, cool weather it is more orange, and hot weather more coral. It fades to pale orange. But, it doesn't look like this has been released in the USA. I am positive it isnt Livin' Easy, or At Last.
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Initial post today by HubertG
Does anyone here know the name of the found Tea rose that is thought to be 'Helen Good'? If I recall correctly it was from John Hook and there were plenty of photos in the file here which I wanted to look at again, but I simply can't remember what foundling name it was given. Thanks.
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Initial post 2 days ago by odinthor
I find zero references to 'Niles Cochet' before its offering by the California Nursry Company of Niles, California, in 1911. References to 'Niles Cochet' as if dating back to 1906 appear to result from confusion with 'Helen Gould', which was referred to for a time as the 'Red Cochet' or 'Red Maman Cochet'. For instance, a ‘Red Maman Cochet’ is listed in a 1906 advertisement—with ‘Pink Maman Cochet’, ‘Yellow Maman Cochet’, and ‘White Maman Cochet’ and many other roses—as a premium available to subscribers to The Epitomist, with the roses all supplied by Good & Reese; but at that time it was a synonym for ‘Helen Gould’, as specifically stated in the Good & Reese catalog for 1906 (p. 20). Good and Reese indeed seem to acknowledge this when, more than two decades later, they call 'Niles Cochet' "the TRUE Red Cochet" (my emphasis) in their 1929 catalog.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted yesterday by HubertG
It seems that 1911 was the year that the California Nursery Co. changed this rose's name to 'Niles Cochet' for it appears in their 1910 catalogue, and prior to that, as 'Red Maman Cochet'. It's also clear that it wasn't 'Balduin'/'Helen Gould' as this rose is also listed in the HT section. They record the introduction date of 'Niles Cochet' as 1906 in their 1915 catalogue, as well as confirming it "was sold for a few seasons under name of Red Maman Cochet, but was thought deserving of a more distinctive title, as it is not, strictly speaking, a red rose".
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Reply #2 of 3 posted yesterday by Margaret Furness
From the references to Auguste Comte, from the HRIA Journal of 2021,43.4, p. 33, in an article by Lynne Chapman and Billy West:
"Many of you use the resources of the HelpMeFind website and here we encountered this rose as a foundling in Sardinia and also, to our surprise, discovered that it could be purchased under four different names in Europe: in Italy as Mme Scipion Cochet, and as Castello della Scala (a reintroduced rose); as Maman Cochet in the UK, and in France under the name Auguste Comte. It is also in the USA as we have seen it as one of the roses under the name Niles Cochet."
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Reply #3 of 3 posted today by odinthor
Interesting--thanks!
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Initial post yesterday by smoner4
Available from - Fraser Valley Rose Farm BC Canada
https://www.fraservalleyrosefarm.com/?s=redwood+empire
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