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Initial post today by Kathy Strong
Rose Listing Omission

Mandarin Sunset
Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Patricia Routley
Thank you. Added.
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Initial post 11 days ago by CybeRose
Rose Listing Omission

Thomas Gerrard

Florist, Fruitist and Garden Miscellany (Dec 1881) p.188
THE NEW ROSE THOMAS GERRARD originated with Mr G. C. Garnett, an accomplished rosarian, residing near Dublin, and will be propagated and distributed by Messrs. Keynes and Son, of Salisbury. It is a sport, and the following is its history:— In July, 1878, a dwarf standard of Letty Coles, herself a sport, was budded with Niphetos; the bud did not push, but remained dormant during the winter. In the spring of 1879 it produced a shoot, which ultimately died away. The blooms of that year and 1880 were those of Letty Coles, very fine, but true to colour and character. In April 1881, a strong shoot appeared, producing two flower-buds, which, when fully developed, were both parti-coloured or piebald, the colours white and salmon-rose. After Mr. Garnett had cut away the wood to forward for propagation to the Messrs. Keynes, a second sport of three blooms appeared, all rose-coloured, and only one showing the colour and perfection of the first sport. Some of the most noteworthy roses in cultivation have resulted from cross-budding. Marshal Niel, the finest of all yellow roses, it is said originated in this way; a bud of Cloth of Gold was inserted on wood of the American Isabella Gray, the result of the union being the famous Marshal Niel. Then, again, Mabel Morrison was produced from bud variation produced through the inoculation of Baroness Rothschild with Niphetos. Belle Lyonnaise is the outcome of Gloire de Dijon budded with Celine Forestier. Finally, Letty Coles herself is a bud sport from Madame Willermoz rose.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Margaret Furness
I'm confused or amazed by this. Does cross-budding really produce sports? Not as I understand genetics. Maybe epigenetics?
Trawling rapidly through the references for Marechal Niel, I see it quoted as a chance seedling of Isabella Gray or Lamarque or Cloth of Gold, and as Solfatare x Isabella Gray. And at least two breeders named, and two versions of the story of how it got its name.
Fame leads to urban myth.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 10 days ago by jedmar
Added. This rose could just have been a throw-back to Mélanie Willermoz, of which Letty Coles was a sport itself.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 10 days ago by Margaret Furness
That makes sense. What it was budded onto made no genetic contribution to this rose, nor to the other examples cited.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 10 days ago by jedmar
I believe so too. Genetics wasn't understood so well in the 1880s.
Reply #5 of 5 posted today by CybeRose
I didn't give the matter any thought when I found the little article. I have come across many odd notions in the old publications. Now I guess I'll have to do more searching to see if this "cross-budding" was a wide-spread practice of just a local fancy.
This is certainly the first time I've read that Marechal Niel was a sport of any kind.

A quick search informs me that the article was originally published in the Irish Farmer's Gazette.. So maybe the practice was more common in Ireland.
Wrong! Now I find that the much longer, original article was in The Indian Gardener. The author goes on the discuss buds of Xavier Olibo inserted on a strong cane of Marechal Niel. The following year, all the Marechal buds opened with a deep crimson running through every petal. Eventually, all the flowers were so colored. Maybe there is something to this ... if only in India.
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Initial post 2 days ago by Sun and Rose
Hi, can someone please help me identify the rose?
I bought this rose from a local nursery and i had it for over 2 years now, the colour is deep red, there is mild to no fragrance. The main identification is that it has a huge pistil which is unlike any rose i seen before. so can someone help me identify the rose.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
It's called proliferation, what happened to Your rose. Take a look at the photo's in the glossary (left column)...
And maybe look it up on the internet: Proliferation in plants.
One of many mutations or disorders that can affect plants, proliferation is when one or more buds form in an already open bloom. The reason for this is not fully understood but, usually, not all blooms are affected.
Reply #2 of 5 posted yesterday by Sun and Rose
Hi, thanks for replying. I don't think this is proliferation cause I had this rose for more than 2 years now and all the flowers till now are like this only. I witnessed proliferation on some other roses i have few times but it rarely happens and not all the blooms are affected.
Reply #3 of 5 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Possibly a Florists Rose. Check out the Members Comments in ‘MEIkerdobler‘.
Reply #5 of 5 posted today by Jay-Jay
There are the Red Eye Rose to find on the internet and The Red Green Eye rose. A hint from rose-friend Marnix.
Other florist roses with proliferation are: Flash Eye and Rive Gauche.
Reply #4 of 5 posted today by Jay-Jay
What's the name of this rose? I would suggest: Go to the nursery, where You bought it... and ask them.
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Initial post yesterday by Jeri Jennings
I uploaded a 'Eugene Beauharnais' to the "Benny Lopez" page!!! YIKES! Jeri Jennings
Reply #1 of 2 posted today by Patricia Routley
Open the photo - There is a DELETE button down the bottom in EDIT.
Or else, there is a REASSIGN button (top left) where you can move your photo.
Reply #2 of 2 posted today by Jeri Jennings
THANK YOU! I'll get it later today!
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