I tried this rose three times. The first was an own-root plant of the bush. I was warned that it would be weak and take ages to mature (previous comments on HMF make this amply clear). After several years I gave up -- if in countries with decent sunshine it take 8 years for Devoniensis (bush) to come into its own, I figured life is too short to wait for the decades it might take in England. So the next attempt was with the climber. Again, the literature warned me, this time of the opposite problem (which I guess is only really a problem in a small (35sqm) container garden such as mine): the climber would be excessively vigorous. It was, even confined in a pot, and put most of its energy into throwing up canes rather than producing blooms. The canes also tended to blackspot badly and die back, so every year the plant expended energy in rebuilding itself with less than impressive flower displays. So the climber also went after a few years... Then, last year, I got a grafted plant of the bush, and a few short months later it is growing healthy and flowering well. I love the scent and look of Devoniensis and I'm glad I got a version of it that works in my climatic and growing conditions. I got my grafted plant from Loubert in France, right before legal changes came into effect (following from the Brexit vote) that made it completely impractical for private individuals in England to acquire plants from Europe.