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Initial post today by Bug_girl
Hi Cliff! Just found your garden. The high desert one was so impressive! This low desert one ain't too bad either! What happened with all the roses you had at your old nursery? I am just hoping they are somewhere in a garden or a collection or something. The amount of roses that you had is amazing!
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Reply #1 of 2 posted today by Cliff
When the decision was made to close the nursery and dig up most of the thousands of roses in the garden, we then spent well over a year sending out to our mailing list constantly updated inventories of roses available to be dug up, bare rooted, packed and shipped. Many of these were large plants and my overriding objective was to ensure that as many of these roses as possible found good homes in gardens across the country. This required employing a crew full time for what proved to be very time and labor intensive work. We charged actual shipping costs and an amount of each rose that allowed us to approach break even and pay the crew over this extended period of time. I can assure you that there was no profit built in whatsoever, but gave me the satisfaction that the great majority of this collection of mostly rare roses, which were originally imported from Europe, would continue to be grown in a wide variety of gardens.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted today by Bug_girl
Thank you for the quick reply Cliff. It makes my heart happy that they are somewhere out there! Extinct rose varieties are a huge bummer. And I hope that no one would begrudge you making a profit. You earned it.
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Initial post 13 FEB 20 by B R SAYERS
Hi Cliff hope you can help me, I live in Gloucester, England and I see you had a rose in 2011 called City of Gloucester, do you still have it. Here in England I can no longer get this rose. Please can you contact me.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 13 FEB 20 by Kim Rupert
Hi, this isn't Cliff. You messaged through an archive of what Cliff had when he operated his Euro Desert Roses Nursery, which he closed several years ago. The roses listed on this archive is what he HAD years ago and no longer exist. Due to health issues, he isn't engaged in the "rose business" any longer. I'm sorry.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 14 FEB 20 by B R SAYERS
Hi and thank you very much for taking the trouble to make contact. Very sorry to here of Cliffs bad health. Now I am stumped a bit have no contact leads in America oh well must keep trying to find this rose.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 14 FEB 20 by Kim Rupert
Hi, no trouble. I understand the "want" without being able to "have". Unfortunately, unless you can find the rose in a US nursery which exports, there wouldn't be a way for you to obtain it from the US. Several years ago, Week's Roses committed an unthinkably stupid error. They received "research material" for their Rose Rosette Disease research program and intensely stupidly propagated it IN their commercial production fields. Rose Rosette Disease had NOT been an issue in the Wasco, California rose production fields UNTIL Week's brought it in and then infected heaven knows how much material over three or four YEARS before discovering it. Depending upon whom you believe, they either "took Herculean efforts and contained it all", or they did what they thought they had to do and who knows how much of the disease they spread around the world?". From personal experience, German nurseries were already highly neurotic about receiving RRD infected material. Once the potential spread of the Week's infection became known, it became even more difficult to export material from this country. And, I do NOT blame the receiving nurseries one bit.

Reportedly, City of Gloucester grows in Sangerhausen in Germany and Fineschi Garden in Italy. Perhaps if you contacted the Beales Nursery there in Britain or Bierkreek in The Netherlands, one of them may be able to obtain propagation material from one of those gardens and bud you some plants of the rose?
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Reply #4 of 6 posted today by Bug_girl
So what happened to all of Cliff's roses?
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Reply #5 of 6 posted today by Kim Rupert
Many were sold and/or given away to good, loving homes. Some were taken to his new home and planted. The last I knew he still had a garden. With heat, water and time, I don't know what may still be there.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted today by Bug_girl
If you check out Cliff's low desert garden, he discussed what happened with all the roses! They are somewhere out there in private and public gardens!
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Initial post 3 OCT 20 by sam w
This rose regularly turns up in the springtime stacks of bodybag roses at the local stores. I bought one once and, to my surprise, it thrived in spite of its inauspicious beginnings. The next year I had the same experience and after a year off I bought a third one this way and it also prospers.
All of which leads me to say that while 90% of the roses sold in those awful little plastic bags full of wet bark don't do very well, this instead is one of the handful that is actually worth the gamble.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 7 days ago by Michael Garhart
It helps to remove the garbage filler they put in those bags. Sometimes they will cause a fungal infection in the root zone. Such as dry rot.

Always inspect the roots and nip off any decay or where they are broken so those body bag roses have a fighting chance.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 5 days ago by MADActuary
If you want a good Red Masterpiece you can get a bareroot #1 grade from Regan Nursery. I have one and it's thriving. Very underrated rose in that it is rated 6.9 in ARS Handbook. It's much better than that in my garden (Zone 5b, Chicago area). Hardy through two winters now.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Michael Garhart
ARS ratings before 2000 are really ... suspect... because most of it was through the eyes of exhibitors. For sniffy reds, I prefer Firefighter and Claret. I think Red Masterpiece was a good improvement on resolving some of Chrysler Imperial's issues and creating a decent red sniffer for the garden.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted yesterday by MADActuary
I have had trouble getting an own root Chrysler Imperial to grow. So trying one grafted on Dr. Huey this year.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted today by Lee H.
Madactuary, I also have an own root C.I. that did poorly, until I moved it from a spot getting maybe 8 hours of sun, to one that is sunny from dawn until dusk. That made all the difference.
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Initial post yesterday by Jack1
Registered with ARS in March of 2024
Paddy Stephens X Dick Clark
light to moderately fragrant,
30 to 35 pedals, foliage dark green and glossy.
I registered it as "Smell this one!"
I was very surprised that it is fragrant since most of my seedlings are not.
thank you for catching my month mistake.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
May?
Registered name?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted today by Patricia Routley
That’s okay.
You do know you can add your own roses, don’t you? Contact Admin to help with this. See SITE FEATURES / CONTACT US.
Otherwise, we can help from here.

I see a discrepancy in the seed parent’s name. You say, above, it was ‘Paddy Stephens’. Modern Roses are saying ‘Pinkerbelle’. ?
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Reply #3 of 3 posted today by Jack1
Thank you Patricia, I just emailed ARS with the correct parentage. That will teach me to rely on my memory. I checked my tag along side the original plant and it states Paddy Stephens X Dick Clark.
btw: I am currently using Pinkerbelle as the seed parent for my hybridizing but those babies are too young.
Thanks again,
Jack
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