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Discussion id : 58-923
most recent 28 NOV 11 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 NOV 11 by released2009
Hi I've be relentlessly looking for the Los Angeles Rose and have found this particular Rose is the Holy Grail of Roses. I have checked all Nurseries, gone to Auction and haven't been successful yet. Is there anyone that could let me know which Rose has simular characteristics or come close to resemblance. Please advice.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 27 NOV 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
Arthur, Los Angeles is a "Pernetiana", bred closely from Soliel d'Or, and as such, is extremely variable in color depending upon many factors. The hotter and brighter the weather, the paler the color. I grew it for years in a trio of California, Los Angeles and California Centennial. Budded, it is a very strong grower. Own root, not nearly as much.

There are many HT roses which can give similar effects as far as color is concerned. None of them are identical, but the following CAN provide you very similar appearance in color, depending upon the weather. Instead of shooting some names at you for you to find, I read Vintage Garden's availability list and these are all shown as currently available, right now, from Vintage. I attempted to do the same with Rogue Valley, but you must enter each name and check each size to determine if they can supply it. I'm sorry, but that requires more time than I can volunteer to answer your question. I'm sure some of these may also be available from Burlington Roses, but you would need to contact her directly to see if she can supply them.

I seriously doubt if you will find many, if any, of them in your local nurseries as they are not varieties the likes of Week's, J&P and Star currently produce. From Week's, you will probably find in your nurseries Sunset Celebration and Over the Moon. From Star, you may find Apricot Candy, Brandy, Glowing Peace and Mother of Pearl. You might also take a look at the old J&P HT, Medallion.

If you want something more unusual, these are the varieties you can buy from Vintage per their site. All can give the color appearance of Los Angeles due to their, and Los Angeles' great variability. I hope it gives you somewhere to find what you're looking for. Kim

Anne Watkins, Shot Silk, Bettina, Butterscotch (HT), Colossus, Devotion, Diamond Jubilee, Ethel Sanday, Fred Howard, Freddy Mercury, Golden Moments, Gruss an Coburg, Halloween, Invitation *, Just Joey, Lolita, Lucille Ball, Peach Blow and President Herbert Hoover.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 27 NOV 11 by Margaret Furness
It's very sad, to see how many cultivars have Vintage Gardens as the only listed supplier, and to know they'll have to close down.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 28 NOV 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
Arthur, I've received communication that you're seeking multiple, large, established plants of Los Angeles for your employer, an architect? The intention is to use them to recreate a period garden for a job your company is doing? Is this correct?

Unfortunately, you are going to fail. This can't be done. There is NO source for older roses like this of any real size. What you found in your shopping is pretty much all there IS to find. No large, commercial sources produce these older roses as there is no mass market for them. The "majors" produce the standards of the recent past which are well known by name, and their own new introductions they can charge higher prices to cover their royalty costs. The "secondary producers", the ones which supply Home Depot, Lowe's, etc., produce roses going back usually up to Queen Elizabeth (1955), but more often, much more recent introductions, and those, again, are roses which have reputations associated with their names and are easy for them to produce. A cultivar requiring more effort due to its inherent difficulty of propagation, such as Los Angeles, won't be produced by anyone but the smaller, specialty growers who will take the time to preserve them. The ONLY sources for Los Angeles, and 99.9% of older roses are going to be those already mentioned and none of them are going to produce them in very large quantities as it is extremely rare anyone wants more than one at a time. Because all of them deal primarily by mail, the plants are most often only liner to one gallon size. For something requiring dozens of a particular old rose, and especially if they are required in larger sizes, you would need to contract grow them well in advance of the planting need.

If this is specified by an architect, if you can, do yourselves a favor and educate him that procuring quantities of large, established specimen of older roses is no longer possible in the vast majority of instances. There simply is no market for them, making it impossible for anyone to have such things on hand when requested. He, or you, are going to have to change the specs for the job to use whatever you can find in the size and quantities you require, and that is NOT going to be a 1940 Hybrid Tea.

You also would have saved yourself, and your employer, five weeks of searching (from your initial post on 10/21) had you stated you required 30, established specimen of Los Angeles. We could have all told you they don't exist, choose something else. Good luck.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 28 NOV 11 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
BUT then again, you could have them custom budded.

Burlington Rose Nsy. is working with San Simeon State Monument to recreate the gardens there, budding original cultivars as needed.

It takes awhile but it can be done.

I budded 'Los Angeles' for Gregg Lowery of Vintage Gardens a few years ago. As Kim states, it grows quite well as a budded specimen.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 28 NOV 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
Precisely, Robert. "Contract grown", requiring between twelve and twenty-four months to produce a quantity of budded, planting size bushes for installation.
Discussion id : 52-814
most recent 12 MAR 11 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 11 MAR 11 by Ladysmith94
Many years ago - 1950's my grandmother had a rose bush. It rambled rather than climbed. It did not get very tall. It was on a fence panel. The canes were probably no more than 5-6 feet, if that. The leaves were very small, approximately 1/2 inch long. The blossoms were medium to dark pink, fully double, very small and borne in clusters of 7. Grandma always called it the "Seven Little Sisters". She told me that is was an old rose. Sadly some years ago, this rose bush was lost. I have searched for it with no luck.
The name "Seven Little Sisters" does not generate any results.
Can anyone help me, both with proper identifcation and possibly locating one.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 12 MAR 11 by Karen
Try searching Seven Sisters. You will find several choices under that name.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 12 MAR 11 by Ladysmith94
Searching this site, none of the Seven Sisters shown are the rose I am looking for. These are all too big.
The red Seven Sisters is closer, but still larger than what I am searching for.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 12 MAR 11 by Ozoldroser
I have come across people calling Dorothy Perkins and also Rosa banksia lutea as Seven Sisters rose too.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 12 MAR 11 by Ladysmith94
The Dorothy Perkins is too large and too light colored. The Banks rose group is yellow, but much closer in size and form.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 12 MAR 11 by Palustris
Perhaps 'Mlle. Cecille Brunner'.
Discussion id : 47-468
most recent 14 AUG 10 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 AUG 10 by daniel
i am looking for a marion anderson rosebush, cutting etc.
Discussion id : 42-329
most recent 7 FEB 10 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 FEB 10 by Margaret Furness
Does anyone grow both Dorisy's and Vibert's 'Sidonie'? I'm wondering if they're both still around, and how to tell which is which.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 7 FEB 10 by jedmar
I believe what is in gardens and commerce is all the same rose - Vibert's. Modern Roses has mixed up the two roses in its description and made an HP from Dorisy out of the two.
Vibert's 'Sidonie' was a seedling of 'Belle de Trianon', thus a Damask perpetual. Later this class was subsumed into Hybrid Perpetuals. Dorisy's rose is named 'Sydonie Dorisy' in early sources, and always listed as a Bourbon.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 7 FEB 10 by Margaret Furness
Thank you. It would be useful to others if you transferred your comment to the file for Dorisy's Sidonie.
The De Trianon HPs are survivors (helped by the tendency to sucker); I think we have both Sidonie and Joasine Hanet persisting in old cemeteries and gardens in Aus.
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