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Initial post today by Charles Quest-Ritson
Introduced in 2013, according to Ferrer's website
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by HMF Admin
Corrected, thank you
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Discussion id : 106-590
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Initial post today by Margaret Furness
In petals of my "Jack Sampson's no 2" I can just see the striping Patricia mentions in hers, but I don't think it would show up as readily in bloom photos as in hers. I can barely see it in the petals of "Proeve's Pink", which we've assumed to be the same rose. That one grows tall and arching for me. My "Jack Sampson's no 2" is low-growing, but it's in a part of the garden where the roses largely fend for themselves (on the dam fence, Patricia). Perhaps the striping becomes more prominent in tough conditions.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Patricia Routley
I've been seeing the fine striping since the first bloom in 2011 when it was still in its pot and I thought it might be 'Blairii No. 2'. But I do have to look closely these days to see the striping. I have noted that the petals reverse down over the pedicels fairly quickly. And looking just now at our photos, that is a shame, for this rose seems to have very pretty pedicels of rainbow colours. Take a look at your photo 399047, and my bud photo 309054
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Initial post yesterday by Plazbo
Listed as fragrant foliage but I can't find any references or any comments to that effect? Can anyone confirm and if so of what does the foliage smell of?
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Reply #1 of 3 posted today by Patricia Routley
I certainly can't confirm that. I have a note that this file for 'Roundelay Climbing' was in existence with no breeder or date at the time when I added the discoverer of Langbecker. Peter Cox (1999 ref) says leathery foliage, and I have just gone out and smelled and crushed a leathery leaf of the bush 'Roundelay'. Not a sausage or a whiff of anything. I will change fragrant foliage to fragrant bloom.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted today by Plazbo
It's what I suspected, an error along the way, but given this is a sport it wasn't out of the realm of possibility given unusual sports that have happened in rose history.

Thank you
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Reply #3 of 3 posted today by Margaret Furness
An Aus sport that apparently reached Spain and Italy, judging by the photos. Maybe sports occurred in Europe too.
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Discussion id : 106-582
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Initial post yesterday by Andrew from Dolton
This rose looks far more multiflora than hybrid musk.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted today by Jay-Jay
Most/a lot of Musk hybrids do!
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Reply #2 of 8 posted today by jedmar
Pemberton named them Hybrid Musks although they were descendants of 'Trier', a hybrid multiflora. 'Trier' itself has some Noisette in it, but is more Multiflora. The convention kept the term Hybrid Musk although it is misleading.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted today by Andrew from Dolton
It grows like a giant version of some of my R. multiflora 'Minima' seedlings. I can't see any in R. moschata in it at all.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted today by Jay-Jay
If You would like to have a Moschata hybrid, just buy Musquée sans Soucis!
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Reply #5 of 8 posted today by Andrew from Dolton
I don't need to, a kind man from The Netherlands gave me some seedlings.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted today by Jay-Jay
Ooooooooooooooops...
And how do they look and behave? Like a Moschata?
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Reply #7 of 8 posted today by Andrew from Dolton
They have thinner stems than I would be expecting from a hybrid musk, but I am really only familiar with 'Felicia', 'Buff Beauty', 'Penelope', 'Cornelia', 'Wilhelm' and 'Prosperity', I suppose out of all of them they would be most like 'Prosperity'. I will have to wait until next year and see what the flowers are like.
Going back to 'Dinky,' it has almost no scent, I think a true hybrid musk should at least have some musk fragrance.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted today by Jay-Jay
As Jedmar said... it is a Multiflora Hybrid (of Rosa multiflora Thunb. ), like most of the so-called hybrid Musks are (like Mr. Lens bred). And like Felicia, and I have a hunch, that the others You mentioned have no or almost no Musk blood too, but a Multiflora ancestry.
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