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Initial post today by AquaEyes
According to the comment posted below by HMF-user Drasaid, "Henrietta's Pink Picayune" is not a synonym for "Picayune", but is actually another rose altogether.

"Highway 290 Pink Buttons is the same as the old pink Picayune in the "Everblooming Roses" book printed early in the 20th century. I know, because my family had the pink Picayune in the front yard for decades and we knew it by that name. Suspecting it was the same as Hwy. 290 Pink Buttons, I sent some cuttings to Antique Rose Emporium who grew them and confirmed it was the same plant. That means this rose has an older history than Rouletti. It is very similar to Rouletti only having more petals. I sent some to RosePeddler who was selling it under the name "Henrietta's Pink Picayune" to distinguish it from the other Picayune in commerce and to honor my old aunt who preserved the bushes in New Orleans (which, alas, are no longer with us.) Hwy. 290 Pink Buttons probably was brought from New Orleans which was the only place with rose vendors for hundreds of miles for a long time. Thanks!"

Can this synonym be deleted from "Picayune" and added to the "Highway 290 Pink Buttons" file? Thanks in advance.


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Initial post today by nevesta74
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Initial post yesterday by CybeRose
I have been reading Crépin's discussion of Rosa wichuraiana and R. luciae. He makes it clear that R. wichuraiana is a ground-hugging, sprawling species that doesn't do UP. To the contrary, R. luciae and R. multiflora start as bushes or shrubs, and apparently need some external stimulus to trigger the climbing habit.

I have observed this phenomenon in R. multiflora, naturalized in Tennessee, as well as in the native R. setigera. The plants remain short and bushy when growing in the open, but "take flight" (so to speak) when there is a tree nearby.
Reply #1 of 4 posted yesterday by Jay-Jay
I grow R. wichuraiana too. And despite nearby oaks and hazelnuts, it stays over the years (as You described) "ground-hugging" and doesn't reach for the stars.
Reply #2 of 4 posted yesterday by CybeRose
That's what I would expect. It does horizontal, but not vertical. I had one, years ago, that insinuated itself through my lawn. When I finally discovered it, I had a heck of a time getting it out.

If you had R. luciae, according to Crépin, it would remain a bush/shrub until it bumped into a fence or tree that would give it a "leg up".
Reply #3 of 4 posted today by Jay-Jay
I planned it as a thick thicket, to ward of astray strangers from our garden. It can endure a lotta shade.
Reply #4 of 4 posted today by CybeRose
I saw R. wichuraiana var. poteriifolia growing at the San Jose Heritage garden. Now, THAT would give stray visitors second thoughts ... and third thoughts. Dense, twiggy and mean looking.

I had a small specimen of it in a pot. The darned thing somehow managed to snag me whenever I got near it. I thought I was being careful, but it got to me anyway. Finally, I cut it back to stumps. It promptly opened a few blooms - in December - just to taunt me.

It is no wonder that Wichuraiana hybrids are so durable and carefree. I saw them (double pink and double red) in numerous places in Tennessee, growing beside the roads, or hanging over cliffs. No care required.
Discussion id : 114-917
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Initial post 4 days ago by Cà Berta
Catalogo F.lli Giacomasso 1940-41 page 3

Egeria – H.T. (Comm. Aicardi) - Novità 1940
Un fiore grandissimo che si può paragonare ad una peonia! Rosso mattone scuro a unghia gialla con striature di arancio sulla pagina esteriore dei petali. Di forma squisita, sarà una rosa di grande effetto, prodiga di fiori durante tutta la stagione. Profumata (Vedi foto a colori a pag. 5)

Translation : A very large flower that can be compared to a peony! Dark red brick with yellow nail with streaks of orange on the outer page of the petals. Exquisitely shaped, it will be a very impressive rose, lavish with flowers throughout the season. Scented (see color photo on page 5)

NOTE: thus the unknown breeder is Domenico Aicardi
Reply #1 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks Bruna. Breeder and date altered to Aicardi before 1940. Reference added.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Nastarana
What are the chances that 'Egeria' might still be alive somewhere?
Reply #3 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Cà Berta
Not many, I am afraid.The roses of that period that are still with us either were planted in the Rose Garden of Rome (and from there the material was given by the Curator Rolando Zandri to Professor Fineschi who had it propagated in his Roseto di Cavriglia) or were marketed by many nurseries and thus they were quite widespread on the territory). Egeria was not in Rome and appears only in the catalogs of F.lli Giacomasso and of Sgaravatti. Sgaravatti, however, was one of the main nursery in Italy and had Egeria in the catalogue for some years .. We hope that having found an image of this rose it can help to recognize it if it still exists in some old garden.
Reply #4 of 5 posted yesterday by Nastarana
How disappointing. I suppose we Americans have this unrealistic and romantic notion that while we are always moving, Europeans remain on the ancestral acres for decades if not centuries.
Reply #5 of 5 posted today by Cà Berta
The real problem is that, while in the USA there were already a few large nurseries that sold thousands and thousands of copies of a rose, in Italy there were many nurseries that sold, besides "international" roses, their own roses in a few copies because the local market was very small. Besides .. Italian esterophilia is proverbial and we do not price much our production .. the grass is always greenest on the other side
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