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Initial post today by JasonSims1984
Who knows where this rose can be purchased in the States? Does anyone grow it? I mean Kordesii itself. I know that a bunch of Canadian Explorer roses are very heavily derived from it, and Dortmund is a readily available first generation offspring, but I really would like to have it as a pure genetic specimen.
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Initial post today by HubertG
From Dingee & Conard's 'New Guide to Rose Culture' 1894, page 12:

"New Roses Introduced in 1893 and 1894.

Archduc Joseph (Introduced 1894). - A very vigorous grower; flowers very large and full, cup-shaped, of perfect style; color rose, with bluish tint; centre bright copper with edges of the petals paler. 40 cts each."

["Archduc" is how they have spelt 'Archiduc' in the catalogue.]
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Discussion id : 112-362
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Initial post today by Margaret Furness
We think the "Hahndorf midwife's China" is the same as the "Ebenezer Cemetery Miniature China" found in two cemeteries in the Barossa Valley in South Australia, an area settled by Wends and Sorbs from 1842 onwards; some came from Prussian Silesia. The most recent grave it is on is dated 1905.
Hahndorf, further south, was settled in 1839, also by religious refugees from Silesia; they were a tight-knit community for a long time, but communicated with other German-speaking settlements. The former midwife's garden has two old plants of the mini-China, possibly from the late 19th century.
The rose has similarities to "Oakington Ruby", but that one didn't reach Australia under that name until the mid-20th century.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted today by Patricia Routley
"Oakington Ruby" was a 1933 foundling. It is possible that the "Ebenezer Cemetery Miniature China" (and syns) came into Australia under another name.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted today by Margaret Furness
I see that "Oakington Ruby" is described as being 30cm tall. Quite a bit smaller than our rose, then.
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Discussion id : 112-338
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Initial post yesterday by JasonSims1984
Being that this comes from a tet crossed to a dip, this rose is highly likely to be a triploid. Does it set hips well? I'm sure the pollen is slightly fertile on tets and maybe moreso on dips.

I really need to grow all the rugosas. They are just so beautiful and tough. I love their fragrance, too.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Margaret Furness
Long ago I had an ambition to plant a maze of rugosas, for the reasons you mention. Then I visited the Red House in the UK, one of William Morris's homes, which at that time had a planting of about an acre of rugosas. And that was boring. I suppose it was because almost all had the same flower form and the same foliage.
That wouldn't be a problem if you scattered your breeding plants among others, I guess.
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